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Topic: audio sample when no pro license - Page: 2
Although I can see why the company are doing this, I personally don't think it should apply to people who bought the home versions in good faith before the change. It could possibly be a trading standards issue in some countries as they have materially changed something after you have purchased it to it's detriment.

Obviously it's only a licence to use the software, but now the software has changed.

Don't get me wrong I see both sides of the argument here but if I didn't have Pro and used the home version at home even just listening in my lounge then this change was made I'd be properly hacked off and less likely to buy from the same company again.
 
There is a group being affected here, and I think that's because the wording on the Licence Description page is odd/potentially misleading, and needs to be reviewed, especially the Professional Users section, which currently reads:

Quote :

If you are using VirtualDJ professionally (as defined in the EULA: if you earn money using VirtualDJ), you need to purchase a PRO license. Or, if you are just mixing for yourself or your friends, but want to use some DJ equipment, you also need a license.

A VirtualDJ Pro license costs only $19 per month and can be canceled at any time.

Alternatively, you can also opt for a one-time purchase, with VirtualDJ Pro Infinity, for the price of $299. Or, if you want a one-time purchase, but will never use it professionally and want to license only one controller, our VirtualDJ Home Plus license for entry-level controllers costs $49 or $99.


For a Pro/Pro Infinity/Business user it is clear, but for Home Plus it isn't:


  • Home Plus is worded as not being professional, but is listed under the Professional Users section (why?)

    Pro level gear page such as the DJM-S11page states a Pro/Pro Infinity licence is required to use it.

  • What does our VirtualDJ Home Plus license for entry-level controllers costs $49 or $99 mean? Is it $49,$99 or both (depending on the controller)?
 
Ok maybe remove the sample and strip back VDJ to its bare minimum.

Like only 1 sample, when it comes it to loops, only 1/8, 1/4, 3/4. When it comes to FXs, only have a Reverb and Echo AND they ONLY follow the loop values.

No recording and no broadcasting.

Just peel back anything useful 🤷🏾‍♂️
 
Some of that is already done if you check the licence details wrt features lower down the page.

I think once people can do everything reasonable with it in terms of a performance, they will use it, and that was always against the EULA it seems.

Home Plus is just described in a funny way here (I'm still confused), but also, what about people who aren't DJs that use it for like, dance studios, who may not have bought a controllwe and was using it for like automix playback. I guess theyheyhey also bound by the EULA, so they need to buy a pro sub, but it's also likely they didn't buy a sub as they used just the software.

Whatever decision is made/whatwver is done to that page, it might be good to get a legal team to review it.
 
Not smart. Remove this feature.
 
Go PRO, problem solved.

As far as just playing music at home, there's tons of other FREE software out there. VDJ isn't needed just to play music....
 
ok , there are other players...but i mean, why pay 99$ for a un usable software ? someone said they could remove some features : ok for the price. but now with the jingle it s just impossible to do anything. for me it s just a demo ...at 99$ . very expensive for what it is.
 
while we’re still evaluating the situation, for now the PLUS licenses dont get the audio drop anymore, in the latest EA version
 
Stephane Clavel wrote :
while we’re still evaluating the situation, for now the PLUS licenses dont get the audio drop anymore, in the latest EA version


Good move, considering the feedback.
Maybe home plus needs to be retired and a new home product with new explicit terms launched. I'm sure you could still check IPs for the old home licenses and send out communications to owners when beaches have been detected.
It's a tricky one, but I agree you are right to clamp down on lost revenue.
As it stands with this audio drop addition, there is no longer a Serato lite equivalent intro product for VDJ.
 
@stephane. perfect. this is well done. thanks. as you can read, many users are not against reducing the home plus feautures. i don't mind to get a pro licence even if i don t use vdj to earn money.
many ideas :
- reduce the features
- cut the software after 2h or 3h
- make an offer to home plus users to upgrade to pro licence
- just stop the home plus version ?
thanks for all
 
Other possible solutions:

1) The VirtualDJ Home Plus license for entry-level controllers, would have audio watermark, after some time of use, say, an hour. Which would not be such a huge issue for home use, but not great for a public set.

2) Or the existing VirtualDJ Home Plus license holders, could be grandfathered in with NO audio watermark and new Home Plus licenses would have the watermark.
( Or Home Plus licenses are not available anymore, and a New replacement for the Home Plus license, (with a different name) does that the audio watermark. )



PS

IMHO, the VDJ Infinity license is such a value, (a no brainer, as they say)
1) the most amazing DJ software,
2) features that cannot be found elsewhere
3) the most flexible, (skins, vdjscript, vst's etc) and feature rich software, (only limited by ones creativity)
4) the most amazing dev staff and user community
5) with amazing updates, and all updates, are free, for life, (what other software does that)
6) all at a price that has not been increased (even with inflation)
Such an amazing deal, an easy decision, to purchase.

And never really understood, when someone wishes to use a controller, that costs thousands, (which will be useful for a few years), but says that they cannot afford $299, (for life), for the absolutely most amazing DJ software.
 
I honestly don't think anyone would buy the home plus version if they knew the watermark was in place.
 
Agree with @Kradcliffe. It's hard for me to picture anyone actually paying the money for Home Plus and one controller and not being able to use it in some guaranteed sense, especially to play music without the watermark.
 
IIDEEJAYII wrote :
And never really understood, when someone wishes to use a controller, that costs thousands, (which will be useful for a few years), but says that they cannot afford $299, (for life), for the absolutely most amazing DJ software


As far as I'm aware the Home Plus licence is not available for high end controllers.
 
IIDEEJAYII wrote :
Other possible solutions:

1) The VirtualDJ Home Plus license for entry-level controllers, would have audio watermark, after some time of use, say, an hour. Which would not be such a huge issue for home use, but not great for a public set.

2) Or the existing VirtualDJ Home Plus license holders, could be grandfathered in with NO audio watermark and new Home Plus licenses would have the watermark.
( Or Home Plus licenses are not available anymore, and a New replacement for the Home Plus license, (with a different name) does that the audio watermark. )



PS

IMHO, the VDJ Infinity license is such a value, (a no brainer, as they say)
1) the most amazing DJ software,
2) features that cannot be found elsewhere
3) the most flexible, (skins, vdjscript, vst's etc) and feature rich software, (only limited by ones creativity)
4) the most amazing dev staff and user community
5) with amazing updates, and all updates, are free, for life, (what other software does that)
6) all at a price that has not been increased (even with inflation)
Such an amazing deal, an easy decision, to purchase.

And never really understood, when someone wishes to use a controller, that costs thousands, (which will be useful for a few years), but says that they cannot afford $299, (for life), for the absolutely most amazing DJ software.



If users already have the Home Plus version and a controller license purchased and I do. I had to purchase an additional $99 license since my previous controller broke, so I've invested $198 in license fees. It would not be fair to me since that watermark was not part of my initial purchase. I'd agree for any future home plus licenses, or refund us/me my license fees if you're going to implement that audio watermark.
 
There might be room for a discount path here (if it doesn't exist already) - just to be fair, Home Plus users did put money into the product.

Lots of discussion for the staff/legal team behind closed doors, but keep in mind the way the Licence page describes Home Plus + many people see actually putting out money as being some tier of being allowed to use the software with their controller without audio playback restrictions.