Proto
I got my time coded vinyls just before I had to leave, so I was not able to look at it in depth as you will see, but hey I couldn't wait to let you guys know.
First of all: installation went without a hitch. All soundcards can be configured. You need to set input levels and stuff. I probably have a lot a ground loop here, because I never had my percentage of quality of time code beyond 0%. I had the same problem with FS and if I use my laptop (not here atm) it is solved, so I will try this again sometime early next week. What would be a great help would be some documentation as to how to configure the line-in sound. You see 2 graphcs jumping around but I am clueless as to what they should look etc.
VDJ with time coded vinyl is very sensitive. Maybe this was due to ground loop, but it also seemed very sensitive to the slightest change. This is good because it mixes like a dream which I wil return to shortly, but bad because it might mean that you need a perfect set-up, which might not always be the case in clubs I play.
Final issue that I saw was that it didnt calculate BMP's. So you can set BPM manually then VDJ only reacts to position. This could be a way to lock BPM, I am not sure. Anyway I would prefer to see the MBP calculated as I change the pitch with the turntable.
Now to the good stuff (please mind you that the above might well be due to my short experience with it):
Best of all: It mixes like a dream. Wonderfull control. This is exactly the best ever perfect vinyl control over mp3. It does exactly what I want, when I want it. It is like having at least as perfect control over postion as with a mp3 controller. This is super! Great, great, great job guys.
Comparisions:
FS vs. VDJ time coded vinyl:
FS is as prone to groundloop problems as is VDJ, except that FS simply wont work, where as VDJ works with round singing (if this the English equivalent of "rondzingen"). Qua mixing VDJ beats FS big, big, big time!
VDJ Dvinyl vs VDJ time coded vinyl:
Dvinyl has no problems with groundloop. But Dvinyl handles much worse than time coded vinyl with regard to mixing.
I am going to improve my home set-up early next week and report back. But so far: big thumbs up for time coded vinyl. It might very well be the best vinyl-mp3 solution out there.
If VDJ improves on two issues:
- BPM calculation
- Less problems with ground loop
it will be the best for sure.
First of all: installation went without a hitch. All soundcards can be configured. You need to set input levels and stuff. I probably have a lot a ground loop here, because I never had my percentage of quality of time code beyond 0%. I had the same problem with FS and if I use my laptop (not here atm) it is solved, so I will try this again sometime early next week. What would be a great help would be some documentation as to how to configure the line-in sound. You see 2 graphcs jumping around but I am clueless as to what they should look etc.
VDJ with time coded vinyl is very sensitive. Maybe this was due to ground loop, but it also seemed very sensitive to the slightest change. This is good because it mixes like a dream which I wil return to shortly, but bad because it might mean that you need a perfect set-up, which might not always be the case in clubs I play.
Final issue that I saw was that it didnt calculate BMP's. So you can set BPM manually then VDJ only reacts to position. This could be a way to lock BPM, I am not sure. Anyway I would prefer to see the MBP calculated as I change the pitch with the turntable.
Now to the good stuff (please mind you that the above might well be due to my short experience with it):
Best of all: It mixes like a dream. Wonderfull control. This is exactly the best ever perfect vinyl control over mp3. It does exactly what I want, when I want it. It is like having at least as perfect control over postion as with a mp3 controller. This is super! Great, great, great job guys.
Comparisions:
FS vs. VDJ time coded vinyl:
FS is as prone to groundloop problems as is VDJ, except that FS simply wont work, where as VDJ works with round singing (if this the English equivalent of "rondzingen"). Qua mixing VDJ beats FS big, big, big time!
VDJ Dvinyl vs VDJ time coded vinyl:
Dvinyl has no problems with groundloop. But Dvinyl handles much worse than time coded vinyl with regard to mixing.
I am going to improve my home set-up early next week and report back. But so far: big thumbs up for time coded vinyl. It might very well be the best vinyl-mp3 solution out there.
If VDJ improves on two issues:
- BPM calculation
- Less problems with ground loop
it will be the best for sure.
geposted Thu 29 Jul 04 @ 11:27 am
Damocles
Did you activate the built-in pre-amplifier (RIAA or something) ? The signal of the turntable has to be amplified when you plug it into a line in. This might be why you get 0% level.
geposted Thu 29 Jul 04 @ 11:37 am
Proto
Grrrrr, dumb, dumb me. mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
Hahaha, VDJ is even better if you use it wrongly than Final Scratch.
I read this in my office, ran back home to test it. Still 0% music quality, but no more ground loop problems! I love VDJ! Time coded vinyl is brilliant!
You just solved the one major problem I had, now VDJ time coded vinyl is fantastic! Everybody who wants to use VDJ professionally should buy the time coded vinyl immedeatly! I will take time coded vinyl to any club, I am sure that there wont be any problem at all.
Only two very minor points remain:
- BPM calculation
- Needle dropping
And can you explain the difference between relative mode on/off?
Hahaha, VDJ is even better if you use it wrongly than Final Scratch.
I read this in my office, ran back home to test it. Still 0% music quality, but no more ground loop problems! I love VDJ! Time coded vinyl is brilliant!
You just solved the one major problem I had, now VDJ time coded vinyl is fantastic! Everybody who wants to use VDJ professionally should buy the time coded vinyl immedeatly! I will take time coded vinyl to any club, I am sure that there wont be any problem at all.
Only two very minor points remain:
- BPM calculation
- Needle dropping
And can you explain the difference between relative mode on/off?
geposted Thu 29 Jul 04 @ 11:58 am
Damocles
The length of the time coded vinyl is 12 minutes. In relative mode off, a song that lasts 6 minutes spreads over the first half of the vinyl. So if you drop the needle right to the middle of the vinyl, you get to the end of the song.
In relative mode on, any song would "spread" over the entire surface of the vinyl. So if you drop the needle to the middle of the vinyl, the song is playing from the middle (3 minutes in case of a 6 minute song).
So it's absolute/relative time.
In relative mode on, any song would "spread" over the entire surface of the vinyl. So if you drop the needle to the middle of the vinyl, the song is playing from the middle (3 minutes in case of a 6 minute song).
So it's absolute/relative time.
geposted Thu 29 Jul 04 @ 12:14 pm
Rune (DJ-In-Norway)
this is nice to hear Proto.. look forward to hear more when u try the gain in setup...
"..best ever perfect vinyl control over mp3..."
COOL!!! ;) hope this make VDJ knock the socks of FS ;)
"..best ever perfect vinyl control over mp3..."
COOL!!! ;) hope this make VDJ knock the socks of FS ;)
geposted Thu 29 Jul 04 @ 1:16 pm
Dj Morris
Your Needle dropping problem come from your 0% time code.
Try :
- Invert Phase
- Invert Stereo
And try to adjust the gain or the level.
Your time code must look like this :
Try :
- Invert Phase
- Invert Stereo
And try to adjust the gain or the level.
Your time code must look like this :
geposted Thu 29 Jul 04 @ 4:04 pm
Double O
Before I order “Virtual Vinyl,” can someone tell me if you can control both VDJ Players (Desk) with one turntable? If so, how is it configured?—I use two sound cards on my system.
OO
b.t.w. Thanks for the important info Dj Morris.
OO
b.t.w. Thanks for the important info Dj Morris.
geposted Thu 29 Jul 04 @ 5:45 pm
Proto
I already see the problem. Ground loop problem. My graphs look way worse than this. Thanks for the picture though. That helps a lot. Too bad I can test further only on monday, but then I will take my real equipment without ground loop problems.
Great that it works anyway even with 0% quality. I didnt have time for much testing, but it seemed to work quite well.
Great that it works anyway even with 0% quality. I didnt have time for much testing, but it seemed to work quite well.
geposted Thu 29 Jul 04 @ 7:03 pm
DJ Cyder
Double o I would like to know the answer to that too
geposted Thu 29 Jul 04 @ 7:51 pm
Disco Bar Laser
Double O, with one turntable, you can control the deck A or B, but not both at the same time (you can, but if you try this, the vinyls control your 2 decks at the same time).
Each time you want to move from one deck to the other, you need to go to the config panel and disable one deck an enable the other. When you disable a deck, it can't stop, it continue to play as before you disable this turntable
Of course, you can pre assign the same line-in to both decks in VDJ
Coyote
Each time you want to move from one deck to the other, you need to go to the config panel and disable one deck an enable the other. When you disable a deck, it can't stop, it continue to play as before you disable this turntable
Of course, you can pre assign the same line-in to both decks in VDJ
Coyote
geposted Fri 30 Jul 04 @ 2:06 am
Double O
Although I appreciate your response coyote dj, the method that you’ve mentioned might cause complications while mixing.
OO
OO
geposted Fri 30 Jul 04 @ 6:31 am
Double O
Cyderhouse, I remember you from the PCDJ forums. It’s good to be reacquainted with someone from another forum. I’ve noticed some other forum members here also. The “VDJ vs FX” thread that DJ Phil It (I think that’s his user name) started in one of the PCDJ forums last year might have influenced many people to give VDJ a try. I still remember picking VDJ over FX in that thread—many others did too….Anyway, it’s good to hear from you.
Omega One
Omega One
geposted Fri 30 Jul 04 @ 6:52 am
Rune (DJ-In-Norway)
great to see another PCDJ user coming over the VDJ site ;)
Have tried PCDJ myself, and there is no doubt in my heart that VDJ was right for me...
It is so much better on so many ways :)
geposted Fri 30 Jul 04 @ 1:39 pm
DJ Cyder
Double O,
Yes its been a long time I was banned from the pcdj board for posting a screen shot of virtual dj :) ops lol. I know I made the right choice too I'm with ya norway...
Anyway, maybe I should post something in the wish list about a switch on the skin that will change the soundcard config so you can quickly bounce back and forth between decks sort of like a single turntable mode option where if selects the "active desk" that is playing for vinyl control. Thoughts?
Yes its been a long time I was banned from the pcdj board for posting a screen shot of virtual dj :) ops lol. I know I made the right choice too I'm with ya norway...
Anyway, maybe I should post something in the wish list about a switch on the skin that will change the soundcard config so you can quickly bounce back and forth between decks sort of like a single turntable mode option where if selects the "active desk" that is playing for vinyl control. Thoughts?
geposted Fri 30 Jul 04 @ 3:58 pm
Superstom
Cyderhouse,
maybe it is a good option, but for me it is too risky. Switching between decks could cause making a mistake. When I used my keyboard, before I had a controller, this happened to me a couple of times. I forgot to switch the active desk to the other player.
I prefer two players, €15 is not that much. But if you have just 1 turntable, I understand the question
Ewout
maybe it is a good option, but for me it is too risky. Switching between decks could cause making a mistake. When I used my keyboard, before I had a controller, this happened to me a couple of times. I forgot to switch the active desk to the other player.
I prefer two players, €15 is not that much. But if you have just 1 turntable, I understand the question
Ewout
geposted Fri 30 Jul 04 @ 6:22 pm
DJ Cyder
Well I only want to carry one turntable to my college shows :)
geposted Fri 30 Jul 04 @ 8:21 pm
dj kiteman
now as far as scratching is concerned any testing done by the experts? thinking this is the way to go then???
i like hercules but a bit small and well not enough...
thanks
i like hercules but a bit small and well not enough...
thanks
geposted Fri 30 Jul 04 @ 8:53 pm
Double O
Cyderhouse:
The simplest method that I could come up with is using the Shift key on the keyboard, but there is still the chance of making the mistake that Superstom has mentioned. The only reason that I mentioned this option is because I have only one turntable that’s used to record from vinyl. I also use it to practice scratching with. However, I still think it is a good option for the mobile DJ who does not want to carry around two turntables or two table top CD players.
OO
The simplest method that I could come up with is using the Shift key on the keyboard, but there is still the chance of making the mistake that Superstom has mentioned. The only reason that I mentioned this option is because I have only one turntable that’s used to record from vinyl. I also use it to practice scratching with. However, I still think it is a good option for the mobile DJ who does not want to carry around two turntables or two table top CD players.
OO
geposted Sat 31 Jul 04 @ 2:41 am
Double O
Dj-in-norway: “great to see another PCDJ user coming over the VDJ site ;)
Have tried PCDJ myself, and there is no doubt in my heart that VDJ was right for me...”
It’s good to be reacquainted with another former forum member. I guess my heart led me here too.
OO
Have tried PCDJ myself, and there is no doubt in my heart that VDJ was right for me...”
It’s good to be reacquainted with another former forum member. I guess my heart led me here too.
OO
geposted Sat 31 Jul 04 @ 2:52 am
DJ Cyder
Make it so! LOL
I don't want to carry two turntables!!! Just make an option to make it select the active deck this could be turned on or off, this solves the probelm too for people with only one line input...everyone's happy.
I don't miss pcdj one bit either :)
I don't want to carry two turntables!!! Just make an option to make it select the active deck this could be turned on or off, this solves the probelm too for people with only one line input...everyone's happy.
I don't miss pcdj one bit either :)
geposted Sat 31 Jul 04 @ 2:56 am
