Dj Xeo
is there a way to turn off the turntable pitch detection. As in stop VDJ thinking the turntable pitch is changing and resizing the beatgrid and changing the on screen pitch sliders etc?
Its annoying when your syncing 2 songs and the one your moving keeps getting bigger and smaller so you cant adjust it properly.
Its annoying when your syncing 2 songs and the one your moving keeps getting bigger and smaller so you cant adjust it properly.
geposted Wed 05 Apr 06 @ 8:12 pm
listen2
how much is it changing?
geposted Wed 05 Apr 06 @ 8:24 pm
socross
Yeah, this is annoying. It doesn't change much, but it can hurt if you are blending 2 songs for a while. I usually use my finger to slow down the faster deck slightly.
I can turn off the pitch sliders on my TTX's, it would be nice if I could do something similar in VDJ. I suspect this has other implications that wouldn't be so good though.
I can turn off the pitch sliders on my TTX's, it would be nice if I could do something similar in VDJ. I suspect this has other implications that wouldn't be so good though.
geposted Wed 05 Apr 06 @ 8:52 pm
erxon
Ok this thread gives me an idea: What if an optional calibration would be included under settings, so you could leave the platter with timecode vinyl spin for a few minutes without changing the pitch, and let VDj record the signal. Than it would detect the amplitude peaks which normally change the pitch slightly, and you could than select that value for treshold of no-pitch change - meaning all changes in that interval wouldn't be regarded as pitch change.
Simple phrase: Sensitivity calibration.
Ps.: I'm not using timecode (yet) so if such thing exists under settings, please excuse me.
Any thoughts?
Simple phrase: Sensitivity calibration.
Ps.: I'm not using timecode (yet) so if such thing exists under settings, please excuse me.
Any thoughts?
geposted Wed 05 Apr 06 @ 9:02 pm
xeon
erxon: i just wanted to write almost the same lol :D
geposted Wed 05 Apr 06 @ 9:07 pm
Dj Xeo
thats a good idea mate but it not what im talking about. At the moment if i change the pitch on my TTs to 1% after about half a second VDJ notices that the pitch has changed up 1% and is staying there so it knows you have changed the pitch and it changes the distance of the beats so they match and what have you and moves the computer sliders to match what it detects you have on the TT pitch sliders.
This however becomes a problem when you are bending the pitch or spinning it up in order to match beats etc. Since i dont use the pitch sliders on my TTs i would like to be able to turn this feature on so it doesnt get in the way when im matching 2 songs.
Someone tell me they understand, please. I think socross is getting me.
This however becomes a problem when you are bending the pitch or spinning it up in order to match beats etc. Since i dont use the pitch sliders on my TTs i would like to be able to turn this feature on so it doesnt get in the way when im matching 2 songs.
Someone tell me they understand, please. I think socross is getting me.
geposted Wed 05 Apr 06 @ 9:46 pm
erxon
Ok i totally missunderstood. (I'll post that feature under new fetaures if it's not been discussed yet)
If I understand correctly, you're mostly having visual trouble because software is treating vinyl manipulation movement as fast pitch changes? If that is the case, I don't think that coud be solved, because phase correction with platter is similar to fast pitch change, so software has hard time distinguishing between scratching and pitch shifting.
But I don't know how the algorythm was made and didn't test timecode (at least not with real turntables) yet so.. maybe I can't really help you on this :)
If I understand correctly, you're mostly having visual trouble because software is treating vinyl manipulation movement as fast pitch changes? If that is the case, I don't think that coud be solved, because phase correction with platter is similar to fast pitch change, so software has hard time distinguishing between scratching and pitch shifting.
But I don't know how the algorythm was made and didn't test timecode (at least not with real turntables) yet so.. maybe I can't really help you on this :)
geposted Wed 05 Apr 06 @ 10:21 pm
Dj Xeo
I remeber when TCV first came out for VDJ people complained that the beats did not line up when mixing using just turntables, They would meet in the middle at the rite time but would not match up the whole way through.
This problem was fixed when they improved vdj so it could move itrs pitch sliders to what the turntable pitch sliders did and resize the wavform so they matched all the way through etc etc just like in non TCV mode. This is a good technology to allow people to see their songs lined up propperly and also to allow the pitch on the TT to be used for things like smart pitch. Well done VDJ!!
Thing is i would prefer to do all pitch changing/matching internaly in VDJ. All i need to do that is an option to turn this feature off. It didnt use to be there and it has been added so its obv it should be simple to let it be turned off.
What do you think?
(the ability to change the length of delay before pitch change is assumed would also be a solution)
This problem was fixed when they improved vdj so it could move itrs pitch sliders to what the turntable pitch sliders did and resize the wavform so they matched all the way through etc etc just like in non TCV mode. This is a good technology to allow people to see their songs lined up propperly and also to allow the pitch on the TT to be used for things like smart pitch. Well done VDJ!!
Thing is i would prefer to do all pitch changing/matching internaly in VDJ. All i need to do that is an option to turn this feature off. It didnt use to be there and it has been added so its obv it should be simple to let it be turned off.
What do you think?
(the ability to change the length of delay before pitch change is assumed would also be a solution)
geposted Wed 05 Apr 06 @ 10:54 pm
Superstom
If you pitch bend, the pitch slider and the beat grid response to the change. What could be added in the Timecode config is a value in milliseconds before vdj will react.
Example
I set the value to 1000 milliseconds (=1s). When I move my pitch slider on my turntable from +1% to 2 % the sound response directly, but the pitch slider and the beat grid will react after 1s. If I just just bend slightly, the sound is ok, the pitchslider is not changed the beat grid is moved a little, but the space between beats is not changed.
With this option you could set the reactivity on the value you like.
Hope you get it, otherwise please ask
Ewout
Example
I set the value to 1000 milliseconds (=1s). When I move my pitch slider on my turntable from +1% to 2 % the sound response directly, but the pitch slider and the beat grid will react after 1s. If I just just bend slightly, the sound is ok, the pitchslider is not changed the beat grid is moved a little, but the space between beats is not changed.
With this option you could set the reactivity on the value you like.
Hope you get it, otherwise please ask
Ewout
geposted Wed 05 Apr 06 @ 11:08 pm
Dj Xeo
yes i get it, and you do too which is good news. as i said before, the ability to change the delay before a pitch change is assumed by VDJ would also be a solution
geposted Wed 05 Apr 06 @ 11:12 pm
erxon
Yup, that would be great.
geposted Wed 05 Apr 06 @ 11:15 pm
Dj Xeo
come on other TCV/CD people, is it a prob for u too or is it just me?
team, can we get a button for this feature?
team, can we get a button for this feature?
geposted Thu 06 Apr 06 @ 12:08 am
Superstom
DJ Xeo,
I have timecode vinyls and have time code cds, but I don't use them at gigs yet. Mainly had to do with the strange behaviour with my Denon 1000 players in version 3.3 (and earlier). I haven't tested 3.4 yet, because I'm a little busy lately. So I haven't noticed it.
Ewout
I have timecode vinyls and have time code cds, but I don't use them at gigs yet. Mainly had to do with the strange behaviour with my Denon 1000 players in version 3.3 (and earlier). I haven't tested 3.4 yet, because I'm a little busy lately. So I haven't noticed it.
Ewout
geposted Thu 06 Apr 06 @ 12:22 am
djej
Xeo, i have read this post and haven't responded until now. I just recreated the two stories going on here..i think..seems like adjust from tt and adjust pitch from vdj...maybe i'm wrong. the delay in VDJ is when you use the tt pitch control. I don't see a delay or a beat grid change at all when I use the vdj pitch....which you said you want to do and do. I tried it with beatlock on and off, during loops, etc. When i changed the tt pitch i saw the delay. btw, when it was in beatlock and i changed the pitch like 10% it stayed beatlocked even though the vdj pitch was moving. I wish i could contribute more to this thread but i just don't see the issue...sorry. I still had to comment since I went through some trouble lol. p.s. i have the same turntables as you and just keep the quartz lock on and adjust vdj pitch.
geposted Thu 06 Apr 06 @ 1:18 am
DJ_whiteDVL
if you don't want VDJ to change the pitch if you adjust it on the TTs just go into your TCV options under the soundcard into the advanced setting there is an option called smart pitch. remove the check and the pitch sliders in VDJ won't budge if your TTs, pitch changes. ALTHOUGH!!! the pitch % will change in the browser window just not the slider.
Best Regards
DJ White Devil
Best Regards
DJ White Devil
geposted Thu 06 Apr 06 @ 2:22 pm