dj kiteman
just wondering what the pro's think is best...
is there that much a difference from one to the other.
should i go with the time coded vinyl?
is there that much a difference from one to the other.
should i go with the time coded vinyl?
geposted Wed 18 Aug 04 @ 4:15 pm
djzero
i think it really depends on what you want out of the software and what equipment you already own...
if youve already got turntables or cd decks go for the TCV option
if you want more features but not the complete control that you have over vinyl, go for the XP10s ir the D Vinyl controller.
dont forget that they can be used in conjunction with each other
most vinyl junkies i think will go for the Time Coded Vinyl option and this is the more accepted method of PC Djing in clubs at the moment, but this is already well on its way of changing, another year or so alot of clubs/bars will be going digital, it is the way of the future.
if youve already got turntables or cd decks go for the TCV option
if you want more features but not the complete control that you have over vinyl, go for the XP10s ir the D Vinyl controller.
dont forget that they can be used in conjunction with each other
most vinyl junkies i think will go for the Time Coded Vinyl option and this is the more accepted method of PC Djing in clubs at the moment, but this is already well on its way of changing, another year or so alot of clubs/bars will be going digital, it is the way of the future.
geposted Wed 18 Aug 04 @ 4:24 pm
dj kiteman
i can get a pair of 1200's from a friend, right now i have the hercules, and its good..
are you saying that i can not use the vdj functions with the time coded vinyl?
meaning, no loops, no cue pt sets.. nothing?
are you saying that i can not use the vdj functions with the time coded vinyl?
meaning, no loops, no cue pt sets.. nothing?
geposted Wed 18 Aug 04 @ 4:28 pm
djzero
You can but not directly from the vinyl as such, you can cue the vinyl as you would on a regular turntable, nedle drop, scratch etc... perfectly. reverse if the turntable supports it, anything you would do with a normal turn table. vdj features are still usable however you cannot control these directly from your turntable, (although you still could from your herc. or mouse keyboard etc...)
so this (herc and TCV) would probably work quite nice together in regards to features, but if you are wanting a more pro look than the herc, you might want to invest in xp10s or dvinyl to go along side the turntables
so this (herc and TCV) would probably work quite nice together in regards to features, but if you are wanting a more pro look than the herc, you might want to invest in xp10s or dvinyl to go along side the turntables
geposted Wed 18 Aug 04 @ 4:35 pm
dj kiteman
im assuming you have used both.. for scrachting is there much difference from the tcv to the xp10
geposted Wed 18 Aug 04 @ 4:39 pm
djzero
have not used the XP10s but thve used the time coded CD option (same as the vinyl but for cd players) it is very responsive and works great but does not have all the features as i said before. scratching with tc vinyl should sound exactly like it would on real vinyl as you have complete analogue control over it.
with the xp10 for example you touch the plate and the song stops dead and you only get the movment from touching the pad. with vinyl you dont always completly stop the vinyl you can apply various amounts of pressure to it to create different effects.
if you are seriously into scratching go for the TCV, the XP10 and all other controllers including cd players can only emulate the scratching effect (with exception to mamy the cdj 700s and numark cdx) although the xp10 supposably comes very close.
keep in mind that if you are solely using the TCV you will have to beat match the music yourself. you can still utalise the pitch sliders within vdj whilst using this (this means you can still auto tempo) but not directly from TCV.
personally i'd go for TCV (or the TCD) option with a d vinyl controller as you get the best of both worlds, (without doubling up on the scratch feature)
with the xp10 for example you touch the plate and the song stops dead and you only get the movment from touching the pad. with vinyl you dont always completly stop the vinyl you can apply various amounts of pressure to it to create different effects.
if you are seriously into scratching go for the TCV, the XP10 and all other controllers including cd players can only emulate the scratching effect (with exception to mamy the cdj 700s and numark cdx) although the xp10 supposably comes very close.
keep in mind that if you are solely using the TCV you will have to beat match the music yourself. you can still utalise the pitch sliders within vdj whilst using this (this means you can still auto tempo) but not directly from TCV.
personally i'd go for TCV (or the TCD) option with a d vinyl controller as you get the best of both worlds, (without doubling up on the scratch feature)
geposted Wed 18 Aug 04 @ 4:52 pm
dj kiteman
im not really good at scratching but i want to get to that point.. i guess i just dont want to get something that when i start to use it, requires me to get the TCV after..
there's just so much $$ i want to spend to play on my computer..
there's just so much $$ i want to spend to play on my computer..
geposted Wed 18 Aug 04 @ 5:46 pm
bagpuss
Smart move by vdj to give us sooo many options to suite our individual needs, helping vdj become the product of choice for the pros...,
But all these decisons are pretty tough because so many of us want the best of both worlds, but it's all good fun and makes this type of dj'ing more fun because so much is customizable...
good luck deciding,
personally i'm for xp10 because it's cost effective and gives me just what i need and want, the feedback is starting to come through and sounds as good as i hoped,
But all these decisons are pretty tough because so many of us want the best of both worlds, but it's all good fun and makes this type of dj'ing more fun because so much is customizable...
good luck deciding,
personally i'm for xp10 because it's cost effective and gives me just what i need and want, the feedback is starting to come through and sounds as good as i hoped,
geposted Wed 18 Aug 04 @ 5:59 pm
Proto
It all depends on what you can sell to the clubowners/promoters you know. If they book you with the XP10, then no problem.
In my experience most clubowners/promoters prefer real vinyl, some accept time coded vinyl and only a handfull accept mp3 devices like the XP10, but it could change.
So as a carreer move I would go for time coded vinyl.
In my experience most clubowners/promoters prefer real vinyl, some accept time coded vinyl and only a handfull accept mp3 devices like the XP10, but it could change.
So as a carreer move I would go for time coded vinyl.
geposted Thu 19 Aug 04 @ 7:13 am
Lodewijk
Here's a video from a guy showing how timecode vinyls are working. He isn't using vdj, or the vdj vinyls but it does give a good understanding about how these vinyls work I guess... It's just cool to watch actually :)
http://www.seratoscratchlive.com/forums/media/video/kaseem.mov
He is using serato scratch live, wich cost $539.00
Anybody in here who can confirm that the 14 euro timecoded vinyls are working as good as this?
http://www.seratoscratchlive.com/forums/media/video/kaseem.mov
He is using serato scratch live, wich cost $539.00
Anybody in here who can confirm that the 14 euro timecoded vinyls are working as good as this?
geposted Thu 19 Aug 04 @ 2:08 pm
Rune (DJ-In-Norway)
good video, and GREAT scratch dj... its the DJ that makes it sound this good ;)
Technology ways, the timecode for the insane low price for VDJ will work the same way ;) i have seen videos, as this one, of users using VDJ + timecode .. and its amazing ;)
And VDJ + timecode REALLY is a BARGAIN compared to other dj software & timecode.... VDJ is still young, not having the marked penetration as the "older" software does, but in time... i have NO DOUBT what software will be preferred by most dj's.. ;)
but dont forget, the dj ;) lol... the one in this video sure knows what he's doing ;)
Technology ways, the timecode for the insane low price for VDJ will work the same way ;) i have seen videos, as this one, of users using VDJ + timecode .. and its amazing ;)
And VDJ + timecode REALLY is a BARGAIN compared to other dj software & timecode.... VDJ is still young, not having the marked penetration as the "older" software does, but in time... i have NO DOUBT what software will be preferred by most dj's.. ;)
but dont forget, the dj ;) lol... the one in this video sure knows what he's doing ;)
geposted Thu 19 Aug 04 @ 4:01 pm
clax
Which soft can read .mov files ?
geposted Thu 19 Aug 04 @ 7:21 pm
Lodewijk
that would be Quicktime, you can download it here for free:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/
geposted Thu 19 Aug 04 @ 7:23 pm
smokey187
@ Dj Zero are u sure about the needle drop?
geposted Fri 20 Aug 04 @ 1:54 am
djzero
from what i have read yes, neidle drop is supported, whether in realitive mode or non-realitive. so if you drop the stylus half way through the record in relitive mode the song will goto half way etc... in non realitive mode if you are playing a 4 min song for example and you drop if half way through the vinyl the song will have finished already as it does not space the song out over the vinyl in this mode.
if you have any other questions about this ask the team through e-service or the boards
if you have any other questions about this ask the team through e-service or the boards
geposted Fri 20 Aug 04 @ 2:48 am
Rune (DJ-In-Norway)
needle drop IS supported... and DJ Zero is right on the spot ;)
geposted Fri 20 Aug 04 @ 3:53 am
doc
My hat is off to VDJ also. They are in full-speed-ahead mode. Next week I'm gonna order my vinyl also. My FS is going in the garbage. Now the next cool thing for me is have VDJ play vob or mpeg1 files with the timecoded vinyl, since they are already using the tv out for karaoke.
Keep up the good work team!
Keep up the good work team!
geposted Fri 20 Aug 04 @ 1:29 pm
bagpuss
Could a devolper or someone who's tried vdj with the timecoded cd's (with half decent players), please inform me of a few things:
1) how does the timecode compare to the xp10 controller?, does the pitch and bpm counters adjust in the software as you change them on the players?
2) Do the waveforms move as you use the jogs or the emulated scatch plate on the more advanced players?
3) is it as latency free as the xp10?
thanks alot my friends :)
1) how does the timecode compare to the xp10 controller?, does the pitch and bpm counters adjust in the software as you change them on the players?
2) Do the waveforms move as you use the jogs or the emulated scatch plate on the more advanced players?
3) is it as latency free as the xp10?
thanks alot my friends :)
geposted Sun 22 Aug 04 @ 1:47 pm
bagpuss
Also is there anyone offering the xp10's on credit?
like the dj stores that specialise in this, sure would make sense to me..., 12 monthly installments etc..
girl kind of restricts my spending hobby :( , if the timecode cd is as good as the xp10 then i might get a couple of cd players to practice with instead..
like the dj stores that specialise in this, sure would make sense to me..., 12 monthly installments etc..
girl kind of restricts my spending hobby :( , if the timecode cd is as good as the xp10 then i might get a couple of cd players to practice with instead..
geposted Sun 22 Aug 04 @ 4:12 pm
gferreal
I've tried VDJ with timecoded discs and XP10. They both work really well.. except I don't care for how the cueing works with TCD's (if you set a cue on the disc player, then prelisten to the song, you can't get VDJ to return to the cue when you're done listening. This means you sometimes get a little vinyly/scratchy jump sound when you hit play on the disc player and VDJ jumps back to start playing from the cue you've set on disc. This didn't seem to affect the instant start though, and because of the way you cue vinyl, you won't have this effect with TCV.)
The advantage of using a disc player (or turntable) is that VDJ is going to have the same response as you're used to with that player, which is key if you're into scratching. Plus it's an easy, effective solution if you already own a disc player. VDJ's response to the XP10 is good but not ideal for scratch DJ's IMHO, partly because the wheel on the XP10 is only 4.5". You can convincingly drop in a song with a little wicky wicky but don't even try to be Q-Bert. Another advantage of TTs or CD players is that when you're out at the gig you have a backup.
Bottom line: if you're a serious scratch DJ, timecode is the only thing that's going to work. If you want portable performance and the ability to use all of VDJ's features from the controller, go with XP10.
The advantage of using a disc player (or turntable) is that VDJ is going to have the same response as you're used to with that player, which is key if you're into scratching. Plus it's an easy, effective solution if you already own a disc player. VDJ's response to the XP10 is good but not ideal for scratch DJ's IMHO, partly because the wheel on the XP10 is only 4.5". You can convincingly drop in a song with a little wicky wicky but don't even try to be Q-Bert. Another advantage of TTs or CD players is that when you're out at the gig you have a backup.
Bottom line: if you're a serious scratch DJ, timecode is the only thing that's going to work. If you want portable performance and the ability to use all of VDJ's features from the controller, go with XP10.
geposted Mon 20 Sep 04 @ 7:54 pm
