Spockie
Congratulations on adding a very clever feature to V6 with Netsearch..
However, I am very unimpressed that you have chosen to encrypt the downloaded/cached files in a proprietary DRM format that locks them into being played *only* through Virtual DJ - And from what I have read - only if you have recently allowed Virtual DJ to "phone-home" and make sure you are still allowed to play these files.
This is *evil* DRM people, and you are swimming in the wrong direction with it. Only brain dead corporations that view their customers as potential thieves are attempting this approach, and slowly they are realising it just pisses customers off and are waking up and dropping DRM.
If Netsearch really accesses only legally available, free content from promo sites and the like, then what right do you have to wrap someone elses work up in your locked box format that is only playable for your paying customers (Of which I am one) who agree to have their permission periodically re-granted over the net or they get locked out of their downloaded "free" tunes ?
There have been many big cases recently where a content provider has gone out of business, and customers are left holding the short end of the stick with libraries of content that are suddenly worthless because the internet authentication servers are no longer available.
What is the reason for this ? Do you expect that a user of VDJ will download a heap of tunes, and then burn CD's of them ? Give them away to other people ? Play them on an Internet Radio Mix ? If they are free tunes, why is this a problem ?
I would also appreciate knowing *where* the music is coming from. Its all very well for VDJ to do some magic and pow the tune is there, but I dont like someone handing me a tune and my not knowing its origin.
"So dont use the feature !" I'm sure many will say... Sorry, I like the idea, I just think the implementation of it is a little fishy and would like to let you know how I think it could be done *better*.
If anyone can justify VDJ's use of expiry-date DRM to wrap others "free" content, I would be interested to hear your logic.
However, I am very unimpressed that you have chosen to encrypt the downloaded/cached files in a proprietary DRM format that locks them into being played *only* through Virtual DJ - And from what I have read - only if you have recently allowed Virtual DJ to "phone-home" and make sure you are still allowed to play these files.
This is *evil* DRM people, and you are swimming in the wrong direction with it. Only brain dead corporations that view their customers as potential thieves are attempting this approach, and slowly they are realising it just pisses customers off and are waking up and dropping DRM.
If Netsearch really accesses only legally available, free content from promo sites and the like, then what right do you have to wrap someone elses work up in your locked box format that is only playable for your paying customers (Of which I am one) who agree to have their permission periodically re-granted over the net or they get locked out of their downloaded "free" tunes ?
There have been many big cases recently where a content provider has gone out of business, and customers are left holding the short end of the stick with libraries of content that are suddenly worthless because the internet authentication servers are no longer available.
What is the reason for this ? Do you expect that a user of VDJ will download a heap of tunes, and then burn CD's of them ? Give them away to other people ? Play them on an Internet Radio Mix ? If they are free tunes, why is this a problem ?
I would also appreciate knowing *where* the music is coming from. Its all very well for VDJ to do some magic and pow the tune is there, but I dont like someone handing me a tune and my not knowing its origin.
"So dont use the feature !" I'm sure many will say... Sorry, I like the idea, I just think the implementation of it is a little fishy and would like to let you know how I think it could be done *better*.
If anyone can justify VDJ's use of expiry-date DRM to wrap others "free" content, I would be interested to hear your logic.
geposted Sat 06 Jun 09 @ 10:50 pm
ewitles
While I am no fan of DRM, I view NS as a one time use live at a gig - not something we should be using to build our library with.
If you find something useful, then buy it on CD later on.
Think of it this way - you are getting what you pay for.....
If you find something useful, then buy it on CD later on.
Think of it this way - you are getting what you pay for.....
geposted Sun 07 Jun 09 @ 10:12 pm
lopez453
You don't know what's behind the deal, or what is the legal background.
Maybe someone decides to put a promo free only on their web, without posibility to download.
They also can provide this only for limited time and e.g. after one or two months they decide no longer to promote a song.
If the deal is that someone allowed their content to play in VDJ, but prevent spreading around -> thus the encryption.
If the part of deal is that song could not be available forever, that's is the reason for revalidating.
Btw. I also see it as temporary solution until I decide the song is bad and I delete it, or until it is released on a Single/ compilation/album and I buy it.
Maybe someone decides to put a promo free only on their web, without posibility to download.
They also can provide this only for limited time and e.g. after one or two months they decide no longer to promote a song.
If the deal is that someone allowed their content to play in VDJ, but prevent spreading around -> thus the encryption.
If the part of deal is that song could not be available forever, that's is the reason for revalidating.
Btw. I also see it as temporary solution until I decide the song is bad and I delete it, or until it is released on a Single/ compilation/album and I buy it.
geposted Mon 08 Jun 09 @ 3:08 am
djfrochocr
LOL another net search topic...
Why do you want to have those files in mp3 if youre gonna play them on gigs ? Just play the file & press record on vdj & that's it...
About the legal Issues, that depends of your country... Well... that's why i jus play the song directly & not downloading to cache...
Regards!
Why do you want to have those files in mp3 if youre gonna play them on gigs ? Just play the file & press record on vdj & that's it...
About the legal Issues, that depends of your country... Well... that's why i jus play the song directly & not downloading to cache...
Regards!
geposted Mon 08 Jun 09 @ 7:02 am
Dazmax
Hi all
I dont believe in pirating other peoples hard work but DRM come on , who is kidding who. DRM only stops people making direct digital copies of the music. So what! The scummy people who want to make pirate copys of music to sell or whatever dont give a toss how they do it and will make copy recordings from the heaphone jack if they have to. Preserving the quality of the music is not their priority. Even Apple worked this out and we know how tight A***d they were with Itunes.
If all its doing is trying to stop copying or directly using the files in alternative DJ software it just wont work. I dont care that its there IT DONT WORK
Just my opinion
Daz
I dont believe in pirating other peoples hard work but DRM come on , who is kidding who. DRM only stops people making direct digital copies of the music. So what! The scummy people who want to make pirate copys of music to sell or whatever dont give a toss how they do it and will make copy recordings from the heaphone jack if they have to. Preserving the quality of the music is not their priority. Even Apple worked this out and we know how tight A***d they were with Itunes.
If all its doing is trying to stop copying or directly using the files in alternative DJ software it just wont work. I dont care that its there IT DONT WORK
Just my opinion
Daz
geposted Mon 08 Jun 09 @ 10:14 am
he's right
i never argue with someone who's right
unless i wanna stay in practice at arguing......
i like the feature a lot and the pirates will be pirates and steal what they can
i think complaining about it though is wrong
there's a saying " don't stare a gift horse in the mouth "
i never argue with someone who's right
unless i wanna stay in practice at arguing......
i like the feature a lot and the pirates will be pirates and steal what they can
i think complaining about it though is wrong
there's a saying " don't stare a gift horse in the mouth "
geposted Mon 08 Jun 09 @ 2:00 pm
DJRudeDoGG
I own a Serato SL-3, I am not particularly fond of Serato but I do use their whitelabel.net to download promo tracks and albums. They have protection protocols in place as well. When a track is downloaded from whitelabel.net it will playback in 320 kbps mp3 if using a Serato box such as my SL-3. If the track is played any other way including using VDJ it will only playback in a miserable 32 kbps mp3! My SL-3 largely just sits in the storage cavity of my rack so I haven't tried running VDJ through the box yet, I wonder if it would work?!
DJ RuDe
DJ RuDe
geposted Mon 08 Jun 09 @ 2:07 pm
beardugo
i do this using sl1 and it only plays 32 if not using serato
geposted Mon 08 Jun 09 @ 9:27 pm