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i understand the camelot wheel instructions...what im having trouble is this..i have about 8000 songs on my data base and for some reason i cant find any Major key songs they are all on minor A1 A2 A3...etc. is it possible, or is it that Vdj doesnt recognize the Major notes or is it me that im not understanding the concept lol...HELP PLEASE!!!
 
geposted Wed 15 Jul 09 @ 7:19 pm
I would recomend you to buy the Mixed In Key Software... http://www.mixedinkey.com/ the VDJ camelot notations are not the best...

Regards..

P.D.

Just the Mixed in Key... not the platinum notes...
 
I would recomend you to buy the Mixed In Key Software... http://www.mixedinkey.com/ the VDJ camelot notations are not the best...

Regards..

P.D.

Just the Mixed in Key... not the platinum notes...


oh ok i heard of mixed in key im going to look into it...is it accurate though? and thanks for the help
 
djpanda818 wrote :
i understand the camelot wheel instructions...what im having trouble is this..i have about 8000 songs on my data base and for some reason i cant find any Major key songs they are all on minor A1 A2 A3...etc. is it possible, or is it that Vdj doesnt recognize the Major notes or is it me that im not understanding the concept lol...HELP PLEASE!!!


If you are only interested in mixing in key then don't worry about it as it's all relative.

It only really matters if you are a musician and intend playing along with an instrument.

I've been using harmonic mixing (particularly when gigging with the different varients of House music in Ibiza), for the last 3 years. For general commercial Chart music I don't find it as useful. I started with Mixed In Key when I used to use Traktor, bit of a pain getting the keys into Tracktor then finding the equivalent Camelot number for mixing. I made it a little easier by making the Camelot Wheel as my desktop background.

Now that the Camelot System is incorporated into VDJ, it's very easy. Make sure the Camelot Number column is displayed then sort on that column by the Camelot number. You don't even need to know the key, its a simple matter of moving up and down that column according to the Camelot System. If you have Master Tempo switched on, then, the BPM dosn't matter too much, as long as the tempo of each song is not too far away from each other, hence why it works great with House music.

Hoorah for VDJ!!! :-)
 
http://www.mixedinkey.com/HowTo.aspx

thome questions to that thing

i understand the concept of the wheel und i get the keys in vdj6

but i don't understand how to compare them is there a camelot wheel for vdj what is A8 is it Cm C#m or what

so anybody from support
it would be helpfull if you could provide us with a chart wich sets the camelot's ABC.. to Vdj abc a#b#c# etc. it would be helpfull

thanks
DJ-Agua
 
I never quite got the "mixing in key thing". If the songs are within 2 octaves (octaves may be the wrong term, but that's what I was taught +/- 3.33% tempo without keylock moved the key 1 octave) of each other I can see adjusting the pitch one down and one up so they match...but if you go much more than 1 octave in either direction it changes the pitch so much the song itself sounds like crap so who cares if your mix is on key if the song now sounds bad....on the flipside if you are picking out your songs based on what key they are so the mix sounds "harmonically" good you end up sacrificing your programming by worrying about what your mix sounds like rather than plying the song that will have the best impact on your crowd at any given monemt, unless you are working a crowd that doesn't care what song is playing as long as it is of a certain genre.

Let's be honest 99'9% of the crowd can't tell an on-beat mix from and off beat one, who out of them is going to be able to hear or care if a mix is off key. If you are mixing house, trance or most other electronica the "beat" only intros and outtros are so long the keys don't matter anyway because most house Djs (at least here in America) never are mixing over instrumentation where you would hear key clashes anyway.

Just my opinion from an outsider who may not really understand how the key thing works....I just use my ears...I may not be able to tell you what the keys are, but I can tell you when they are clashing and when they aren't and if it doesn't hurt my ears and cats don't scream and dogs don't howl it's probably close enough.
 
maby you are right
but my croud knows if i am in or off beat

most i do latino partys and there i play salsa music the people there are dancing as a pair (like discofox or husell) if you mix off beat than they kill you

i whant yust a translation betwenn the keys in mix key A8 to C#m just to see if it helps to read the crouwd and be able to mix dancemusic like salsa thats coll
house is just boom boom (i dont need harmonic its pure computer) salsa has intruments ;-)

just joking
everybody should here and play the musik he likes
 
any body here to help me with the translation?
 
Have you tried switching on the KEY column AND the KEY(NUMERIC) column (Camelot column) in the latest version 6.0.1 ????

According to VDJ and the Camelot wheel.......... 8A=Am............. 12A=C#m
 
gbeul wrote :
any body here to help me with the translation?


Just click twice on the word KEY in the VDJ Skin...


 
thanks thats exact what i am looking for
dj-agua
 
i didnt know about mixed in key but i heard mashups done since way back in the 80's and i always wondered what possibly made those 2 songs sound so great together? then i would try something like it but it wouldnt sound good...i mean i would get them on beat but still wouldnt sound good...now i know and trust me once you understand it you will love it even though you dont have to do it all the time...just opens so many options for you specially when you use the compatible song filter now that is some sick stuff when you see that i.e. a rock n roll song is compatible to a hardstyle song then you just simply over lap them and dammmm they sound so sick together lol try it you will love it and your crowed will love too trust me they will notice that.
 
I think most of the normal people hear the difference if you do harmonic mixing or not. Only tone def people cannot hear it. If you watch some talent or idol show where someone is singing out of key you know what is it about. For mixing is basically the same thing.

Od course if you play electric music and use club mixes of tracks which have extended drum intro and outro it does not matter. But if you mix radio edits or videos, harmonic mixing is superior to normal
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VDJ does not have major keys and it detects quite many keys wrong but they work RELATIVELY well tgether. So if you just use VDJ detected keys for mixing you end up quite well. No big difference to mixedInkey.
 
very true club remixes and so are very easy to mix its all about timing 8,16,32 beats and let it goits all about counting beats and you cut no need to harmonic mix though some songs you can play them over lapped for quite a while and it sounds very unique when they are harmonic mixed....i have a question now are the acapellas, instrumentals and original track different in keys from one another? at least on some songs the mixed in key sees them in different keys.....i listen to an acapella with an instrumental from a total different song but with the same key that mixed in key gives me (both on same key) and they sound good...of course the acapella and the original instrumental of the same song will sound good but it gives me different keys on each one...like i said only on some...kind of odd???

and too dj e electric...most likely you are doing harmonic mixing without realizing it you just have a very good musical ear like allot of dj's and singers etc. usually if it sounds good then you are on key...if it doesnt sound good you are off key....thats the reason you create playlists cause you already practiced and got all your tracks in order where they will sound perfect one after the next.
 


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