dj-e-lectric
die hard vikings fan...I feel it with the refs in overtime with the phantom pass interference call and following first down catch that hit the turf that wasn't reviewed.....but hey, farve never should have thown that football to the saints to send it to overtime to let the refs steal it for them.
geposted Tue 02 Feb 10 @ 2:15 am
tygaelement
The concept & culture of a real dj has nothing to do with your equipment or passage of rites
you choose the gear what reflects your skill level & dj style & ideally ensure it allows you to expand your potential.
A real Dj is all about qualities you possess.
Knowledge of music,history,principles,secrecy & mystique.
Technique,self discipline ,mixing skills & most importantly being attentive & receptive whilst still entertaining ,educating & challenging my audience.& inspiring & crushing my competitors.lol
Ive been djing since 1987 on all formats. my first set was diy belt drive decks & diy mixer because it was so expensive.
I bought a technics 1210 in 1989 at £310.... a technics 1200 costs even more now????????
what happened to the economies of scale????????
The main differences i detect are simply personal & are more related to the music not the gear
although some manufactures should be more respectful when promoting dj products.
I don't think the audience care.
New music is easily available to all & easily identifiable by acoustic fingerprint technology so we are almost equal & homogenized in finding & identifying sources.This is where the mystique, individuality,competitiveness & vast knowledge of dj's kinda gets lost, as a non dj or inferior rival can easily track a mysterious song.
Many dj's compensate by remixing or editing their songs & the imperfect but warm vinyl sound quality can easily be replicated if you know how.
The dj playing classics who converts their own vinyl will have a slight advantage because many older songs will never be re-released or reissued as its unprofitable.so they still have some mystique & secrecy as long as the audience is
available.
I will use any format to entertain my audience.But i will not buy any format & i'm very critical of toyish looking equipment being sold at pro hi fi prices & gimmicky software with " now you can easily be a dj "slogans.
I think these factors are detrimental to dj's & provoke arguments because many dj's fail to learn common skills & advance their craft. I also disagree with the terms digital dj & controllerism ... Its just dj gear & culture.
If i'm a mediocre dj then my tools are a distraction & are only considered to give weight to my criticism
Their is no excuse for a poor dj with the wealth of easily accessible resources available.
But poor dj's will continue to emerge.
Some qualities do not apply to all dj's but the end result is all about making an impact & entertaining & challenging the audience.
you choose the gear what reflects your skill level & dj style & ideally ensure it allows you to expand your potential.
A real Dj is all about qualities you possess.
Knowledge of music,history,principles,secrecy & mystique.
Technique,self discipline ,mixing skills & most importantly being attentive & receptive whilst still entertaining ,educating & challenging my audience.& inspiring & crushing my competitors.lol
Ive been djing since 1987 on all formats. my first set was diy belt drive decks & diy mixer because it was so expensive.
I bought a technics 1210 in 1989 at £310.... a technics 1200 costs even more now????????
what happened to the economies of scale????????
The main differences i detect are simply personal & are more related to the music not the gear
although some manufactures should be more respectful when promoting dj products.
I don't think the audience care.
New music is easily available to all & easily identifiable by acoustic fingerprint technology so we are almost equal & homogenized in finding & identifying sources.This is where the mystique, individuality,competitiveness & vast knowledge of dj's kinda gets lost, as a non dj or inferior rival can easily track a mysterious song.
Many dj's compensate by remixing or editing their songs & the imperfect but warm vinyl sound quality can easily be replicated if you know how.
The dj playing classics who converts their own vinyl will have a slight advantage because many older songs will never be re-released or reissued as its unprofitable.so they still have some mystique & secrecy as long as the audience is
available.
I will use any format to entertain my audience.But i will not buy any format & i'm very critical of toyish looking equipment being sold at pro hi fi prices & gimmicky software with " now you can easily be a dj "slogans.
I think these factors are detrimental to dj's & provoke arguments because many dj's fail to learn common skills & advance their craft. I also disagree with the terms digital dj & controllerism ... Its just dj gear & culture.
If i'm a mediocre dj then my tools are a distraction & are only considered to give weight to my criticism
Their is no excuse for a poor dj with the wealth of easily accessible resources available.
But poor dj's will continue to emerge.
Some qualities do not apply to all dj's but the end result is all about making an impact & entertaining & challenging the audience.
geposted Tue 02 Feb 10 @ 10:26 am
Joop3m
oldschool secretaries don't use an olivetti and tipp ex either.... so why would we? he he he
geposted Tue 02 Feb 10 @ 3:23 pm
Double O
ghettotech wrote :
most djs out there imo get a C+ grade. it takes only a C to dj. there'r some B's and very few to almost none B+'s. A is reserved for a really good vinyl hiphop dj.
There are some so called "A" and "B+" DJs that aren't "C"ing "A" lot of money from DJing. However, there are many "C+" DJs making "A" lot of money from DJing. "C" if you can figure out why....
OO
geposted Tue 02 Feb 10 @ 4:32 pm
tayla
@tygaelement
You are kidding us right, what about the people who may not be as fortunate as others and aspire to a more technical oriented controller but through circumstance at the present time cannot achieve it, I find that statement totally offensive.
There are DJ's who need to tell the world how good they are and then there are the good DJ's... who don't need to.
Quote :
you choose the gear what reflects your skill level & dj style
You are kidding us right, what about the people who may not be as fortunate as others and aspire to a more technical oriented controller but through circumstance at the present time cannot achieve it, I find that statement totally offensive.
There are DJ's who need to tell the world how good they are and then there are the good DJ's... who don't need to.
geposted Tue 02 Feb 10 @ 5:04 pm
tygaelement
@ tayla ....I don't understand your comment & offense? you have clearly misinterpreted me
willl the dj be mixing,scratching, triggering samples ,videos , remixing or simply playing songs?
there are so many variables
would you prefer me to recommend the pioneer cdj 2000 which costs 1400+per unit to a beginner doing weddings & children's parties or the cheapest most ideal item that's suits their budget & style.
I posted a video a few years ago of me using a simple inexpensive controller with presupplied vdj software.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Wod6igEhQ
It could have easily been inexpensive belt drive decks , i pod mixer package, hercules controller or a diy mod... anything.
I will happily put my dj credentials up against anyone using the cheapest oldest equpment any style any genre & express myself if the the equipment allows me to. But i still have to entertain in the end & this is where self discipline takes control.
I also play drums & bass guitar & reiterate that its your skills & qualities not the cost of your equipment etc etc which define you. Everyone else understands this but it doesn't translate well in the dj world.
These are the best times to become a dj as it's very inexpensive to start especially when using multimedia sources
Djs are also pushing the boundaries even further & producing & remixing.
Just name your starting budget ,format & weapon of choice & upgrade as you evolve later on.
Many people are critical & use shallow arguments concerning rites of passage & having to pay dues because anyone can download a lifetimes collection of audio in a weekend & technically be on parity with everyone else but that doesn't define them as a dj.
willl the dj be mixing,scratching, triggering samples ,videos , remixing or simply playing songs?
there are so many variables
would you prefer me to recommend the pioneer cdj 2000 which costs 1400+per unit to a beginner doing weddings & children's parties or the cheapest most ideal item that's suits their budget & style.
I posted a video a few years ago of me using a simple inexpensive controller with presupplied vdj software.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Wod6igEhQ
It could have easily been inexpensive belt drive decks , i pod mixer package, hercules controller or a diy mod... anything.
I will happily put my dj credentials up against anyone using the cheapest oldest equpment any style any genre & express myself if the the equipment allows me to. But i still have to entertain in the end & this is where self discipline takes control.
I also play drums & bass guitar & reiterate that its your skills & qualities not the cost of your equipment etc etc which define you. Everyone else understands this but it doesn't translate well in the dj world.
These are the best times to become a dj as it's very inexpensive to start especially when using multimedia sources
Djs are also pushing the boundaries even further & producing & remixing.
Just name your starting budget ,format & weapon of choice & upgrade as you evolve later on.
Many people are critical & use shallow arguments concerning rites of passage & having to pay dues because anyone can download a lifetimes collection of audio in a weekend & technically be on parity with everyone else but that doesn't define them as a dj.
geposted Tue 02 Feb 10 @ 8:57 pm
ghettotech
ghettotech wrote :
most djs out there imo get a C+ grade. it takes only a C to dj. there'r some B's and very few to almost none B+'s. A is reserved for a really good vinyl hiphop dj.
There are some so called "A" and "B+" DJs that aren't "C"ing "A" lot of money from DJing. However, there are many "C+" DJs making "A" lot of money from DJing. "C" if you can figure out why....
OO
There are some so called "A" and "B+" DJs that aren't "C"ing "A" lot of money from DJing. However, there are many "C+" DJs making "A" lot of money from DJing. "C" if you can figure out why....
OO
thank you for the abc's but america (and europe) are very complex societies...
geposted Tue 02 Feb 10 @ 10:29 pm
Double O
You’re the person who posted the ABC DJ grading system. I only responded to it.... Moreover, since you live in the U.S., you know that the only DJ grading system that really matters in this country is the grade of money you are making—which is the point of my last post.
OO
OO
geposted Wed 03 Feb 10 @ 11:42 am
tygaelement
@tayla
Awaiting reply.
Awaiting reply.
geposted Fri 05 Feb 10 @ 7:47 am
Double O
I’m not tayla; however, I would like to respond to part of your post.
Although I understand your point and agree with you to a certain extent, the equipment that you use does play a role in defining you as a DJ. A DJ good at scratching would not be able to fully demonstrate these skills using an inexpensive controller. Consequently, the controller would limit a DJ's scratching skills while performing. Thus, the inexpensive controller would not allow the DJ to define who he or she truly is. However, if the same DJ used professional turntables, needles, software, etc..., the equipment has allowed the DJ to define who he or she truly is.
OO
tygaelement wrote :
I ... reiterate that its your skills & qualities not the cost of your equipment etc etc which define you. Everyone else understands this but it doesn't translate well in the dj world.
Although I understand your point and agree with you to a certain extent, the equipment that you use does play a role in defining you as a DJ. A DJ good at scratching would not be able to fully demonstrate these skills using an inexpensive controller. Consequently, the controller would limit a DJ's scratching skills while performing. Thus, the inexpensive controller would not allow the DJ to define who he or she truly is. However, if the same DJ used professional turntables, needles, software, etc..., the equipment has allowed the DJ to define who he or she truly is.
OO
geposted Fri 05 Feb 10 @ 11:14 am
dj-e-lectric
BAck in the old days of NASCAR King Richard Petty set all the records in the record book (To this day none have been broken) while driving Chrysler/Dodge products....does that mean Dale Earnhardt was not a "real" driver because he used GM products?
geposted Fri 05 Feb 10 @ 1:32 pm
jimspinnin
After reading the original post, here is what I consider digital djing. If you are playing music from a source that has the ability to crash, such as a computer or har drive, that is a digital DJ Don't get me wrong, things break all the time, but it has only been a handful of times that I have ever had a problem with a cd player or turntable in my 17 years as a DJ. I have seen dozens of crashes of a computer or hard drive over the last few years between my frinds and I. Don't get me wrong, I love that it is this way now. saves me time searching for a song on cd and carrying books of cds ect, I will just always make sure I have some kind of backup, lol
geposted Fri 05 Feb 10 @ 7:19 pm
dj-e-lectric
Max Headroom, existing in purely cyberspace was and is still the only true "Digital Dj"
geposted Sat 06 Feb 10 @ 1:11 am
tygaelement
can the members please stay on topic & concentrate on the original post instead of my opinion?
@ Double O
The original comment was
"you choose the gear what reflects your skill level & dj style & ideally ensure it allows you to expand your potential"
My response to tayla was
"I ... reiterate that its your skills & qualities not the cost of your equipment etc etc which define you. Everyone else understands this but it doesn't translate well in the dj world"
Double O ....regarding scratching.
A turntable has more potential for scratching than any other format.
A controller or cdj can only emulate or replicate a turntable & the most common functions.They still cannot capture the unique nuances of platter & vinyl control.
you have indirectly commented on this
"A DJ good at scratching would not be able to fully demonstrate these skills using an inexpensive controller"
But i'll go further concerning skills.
A DJ good at scratching would not be able to FULLY DEMONSTRATE these skills on something which copies regardless of cost. The dj would have had to learn their craft using vinyl & turntables first & may reach a limit on other formats depending on their SKILL LEVEL as dj's are still innovating.
Compare the evolution & innovations of grandmaster flash 1975 using technics sl120s to Cash money in the dmc finals in 1988 & a modern turntablist using 1200s ...now pick any controller or cdj you like to suit & you will eventually reach a limit.
That is the beauty of scratching using original vinyl & turntables
No controller or cdj can compete. Timecoded setups are as close as they will get.
geposted Sat 06 Feb 10 @ 1:59 am
dj-e-lectric
Actually the original post was trying to get our opinion as to what we think defines one as a digital dj......since Max Headroom was a TOTALLY DIGITIZED and COMPUTER ANIMATED DJ personality my suggestion that he was and is still the only true digital dj is quite revelant and on topic because as long as one remains in the corporial state you are not digital at all!
geposted Sat 06 Feb 10 @ 3:00 am
djrenee
At first I thought I WASTED seven minutes of my life reading this post. But I confess, I'm a DIGITAL DJ, and proud of it.
Check out my DIGIT.
geposted Sat 06 Feb 10 @ 8:12 am
wildcountryclub
ghettotech wrote :
thank you for the abc's but america (and europe) are very complex societies...
ghettotech wrote :
most djs out there imo get a C+ grade. it takes only a C to dj. there'r some B's and very few to almost none B+'s. A is reserved for a really good vinyl hiphop dj.
thank you for the abc's but america (and europe) are very complex societies...
if "A" is reserved for a really good vinyl hiphop dj, then how do you explain Tiesto and all the other's that pack arena's in europe or that i have yet to see huge advertisements and promo's for DJ I-broke-my-back-carrying-crates?
just a thought.
geposted Sat 06 Feb 10 @ 10:30 am
dj-e-lectric
wildcountryclub wrote :
if "A" is reserved for a really good vinyl hiphop dj, then how do you explain Tiesto and all the other's that pack arena's in europe or that i have yet to see huge advertisements and promo's for DJ I-broke-my-back-carrying-crates?
just a thought.
ghettotech wrote :
thank you for the abc's but america (and europe) are very complex societies...
ghettotech wrote :
most djs out there imo get a C+ grade. it takes only a C to dj. there'r some B's and very few to almost none B+'s. A is reserved for a really good vinyl hiphop dj.
thank you for the abc's but america (and europe) are very complex societies...
if "A" is reserved for a really good vinyl hiphop dj, then how do you explain Tiesto and all the other's that pack arena's in europe or that i have yet to see huge advertisements and promo's for DJ I-broke-my-back-carrying-crates?
just a thought.
Real A++ Dj/Producers, not just off beat, off rhythm, off key, noise makers
geposted Sat 06 Feb 10 @ 12:25 pm
tygaelement
My apologies to fault..................I think ive annoyed a lot of people
I'm responding to several pms.
This is my last post as it's going off topic.
The turntable ...
The turntable is a manual device & unique because the dj has abused & subverted it's original purpose
It was invented to reproduce music but dj's use it to make music,improvise & reproduce music.
so for some the turntable is a musical instrument.
controllers & cdj's try & copy what is potentially a musical instrument.but a copy will always be inferior to the original.
consider that dj grandwizard theodore was needle dropping in 1976 & observe christian marclay pushing the boundaries of vinyl .The turntables potential is only limited by the users imagination.
can the most expensive recent dj controller come close ? can a cdj or controller be abused & pushed to the extremes & constantly redefine itself like a manual turntable?
Its very unlikely... it can only emulate the most common acts of a dj improvising
so their are limits to using controllers & cdj's regardless of cost.
The future.....
Why try to reinvent the wheel?
why not redesign the turntable & use a barcode style laser as a stylus on a stubby tone arm to track the coded platter?
The turntable could also be reduced in size to suit the user.
naaaaahh.. That would be too simple.... It's far better to release a new product every year & copy the basics of a turntable...eg Numark ns7 & v7 .
DJ Emperor's New Clothes??????????
Equpment defines a dj..
There are many dj's who don't have any equipment but have careers working in stores, hospitals & broadcasting etc etc.
How can the equipment define them when they don't own any are they not dj's?
But they still have dj qualities don't they?
To everyone that pmd me ........Am i clear enough?
Its a circular argument...
I'm responding to several pms.
This is my last post as it's going off topic.
The turntable ...
The turntable is a manual device & unique because the dj has abused & subverted it's original purpose
It was invented to reproduce music but dj's use it to make music,improvise & reproduce music.
so for some the turntable is a musical instrument.
controllers & cdj's try & copy what is potentially a musical instrument.but a copy will always be inferior to the original.
consider that dj grandwizard theodore was needle dropping in 1976 & observe christian marclay pushing the boundaries of vinyl .The turntables potential is only limited by the users imagination.
can the most expensive recent dj controller come close ? can a cdj or controller be abused & pushed to the extremes & constantly redefine itself like a manual turntable?
Its very unlikely... it can only emulate the most common acts of a dj improvising
so their are limits to using controllers & cdj's regardless of cost.
The future.....
Why try to reinvent the wheel?
why not redesign the turntable & use a barcode style laser as a stylus on a stubby tone arm to track the coded platter?
The turntable could also be reduced in size to suit the user.
naaaaahh.. That would be too simple.... It's far better to release a new product every year & copy the basics of a turntable...eg Numark ns7 & v7 .
DJ Emperor's New Clothes??????????
Equpment defines a dj..
There are many dj's who don't have any equipment but have careers working in stores, hospitals & broadcasting etc etc.
How can the equipment define them when they don't own any are they not dj's?
But they still have dj qualities don't they?
To everyone that pmd me ........Am i clear enough?
Its a circular argument...
geposted Sun 07 Feb 10 @ 7:10 am
dj-e-lectric
tygaelement wrote :
Its a circular argument...
Its a circular argument...
round and round, round and round, Vinyl, Cd's, DVD's, Turntable platters, jog wheels....circular arguement....get it.......As Billy Preston once said, "Will It Go Round In Circles...."
geposted Sun 07 Feb 10 @ 4:50 pm
