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Dear all,

Configurating Numark N4 for PC today without success, kindly advise what to do:

1) Current mapper cannot move Fader-EQ-Gain of Channel 3 and 4.
I am using \\\"Virtual DJ 7 3-1-2-4 skin\\\".
I have downloaded Numark N4 mapper from the following link
http://www.virtualdj.com/addons/14139/Numark_N4.html

2) Current ASIO sound driver not working with message \\\"Error in the ASIO sound driver. Not enough channels.\\\"
OK for \\\"4.1 sound card\\\" with \\\"N4\\\"

Thanks in advance

Best Regards,

Richard Prado (Artimix)
 
geposted Sat 18 Aug 12 @ 7:16 am
First of all you don't need an ASIO driver - the N4 does not contain an ASIO compatible sound card.

It's a "class compliant" sound card, which means that it just works with the normal Windows drivers.

I do wish Numark would cease and desist with this ASIO4ALL business - it just confuses people!

Secondly, if you're trying to set up four decks on four separate stereo channels that won't work either, as the N4 only has TWO stereo channels, which you can see are on the outer two faders of the N4 (it says PC/line).

As for the on screen controls moving, you have an N4 - it's an external mixer. You no longer need the 'virtual' mixer on screen.
 
 
Thank you very much Groovindj, Pochitodj for your prompt reply, I really appreciate,

I config the N4 last night, here is my result:

The controller's fader-eq-gain problem is solved as your advise, I upgraded vdj to use the native mapper built in.

I still not get the ASIO config right, cannot go in the second window
but I can still use the "4.1 config" "N4" config without problem.
I don't know what function I have missed if not using ASIO driver, may be Rewire support, I guess.

Thanks again for your kind reply, I found them very useful.

Warm Regards from Macau,

Richard Prado (Artimix)
 
The so called "ASIO driver" for the N4 (ASIO4ALL) is not an ASIO driver at all - it's an emulator.

Meaning that it sits on top of your existing Windows WDM driver and fools "ASIO only" software (which is not VDJ) into thinking there's an ASIO card on your computer when there isn't.

It also fools inexperienced users into thinking that it is an ASIO driver, and that it will somehow magically transform an ordinary sound card into an ASIO one - which it doesn't.

It was bad enough before Numark started promoting it - now it's worse!
 
Oh I see, it's an emulator.

Thanks

Regards,
Richard
 
groovindj wrote :
Secondly, if you're trying to set up four decks on four separate stereo channels that won't work either, as the N4 only has TWO stereo channels, which you can see are on the outer two faders of the N4 (it says PC/line).


That is not a valid statement ... you can do 4 deck mixing with the N4. You just need to configure the Audio settings correctly.

The proper Audio configuration with the Numark N4 is --

Inputs - None
Outputs - Headphones
Sound Card - 4.1 and select the N4 from the second drop-down.

Now you can run 4 decks and Cue separately each one.
 
cstoll wrote :
That is not a valid statement


Yes it is....

I said "on four separate stereo channels".
 
Do you have the controller?

Do you not understand that it is 4 separate 'internal' channels?

Like I said, it was an invalid statement.
 
OK I'll try and make it simple for you....

I'm not talking about 'internal'. You are.

The N4 has a four channel mixer, BUT only TWO of those channels are capable of having a USB audio signal input from the computer.

This is blindingly obvious from looking at the product. Only TWO of the four faders have an option to run PC audio, and there are only TWO switches on the front panel to enable PC audio.

Ergo, what I stated was correct. You're the one who's confused.

The Denon MC6000 is the same. It's a four channel mixer and is marketed as a "four deck" controller......BUT it's only capable of running TWO channels of audio from the computer via USB.

The VMS4 on the other hand can have ALL FOUR channels running audio from the PC.
 
Those switches on the front are for only the outside channels (3 and 4) not the two center channels (1 and 2).

Channels 3 and 4 have AUX inputs that can be routed and controlled on those channels.

So for your 'obvious' observation, you are incorrect on how the unit functions.

When you actually own the controller and go to use it you would better understand than making assumptions from just looking at pictures.
 
cstoll wrote :
Those switches on the front are for only the outside channels (3 and 4) not the two center channels (1 and 2).

Yes, I know that. That's what I've been saying!

cstoll wrote :

Channels 3 and 4 have AUX inputs that can be routed and controlled on those channels.


Yes, I know that as well.

Are you saying that there are in fact FOUR stereo USB audio feeds (i.e. an 8 channel sound card) in the N4?

If you are, then you'd better get in touch with Numark and tell them how they've made a glaring error in their N4 documentation.

If you're not, then what I've written is correct.
 
I'm guessing it's the same as the MC-6000 where the VDJ software mixes 4 channel audio then feeds it to the controller, but physically it has two stereo sound outputs?

Keith
 
Where we are conflicting is in the choice of words regarding 4 deck mixing vs 4 dedicated outputs.

You imply that you can not have 4 deck mixing in VirtualDJ because there are not 4 dedicated outputs. That is where you are wrong.

The N4 has a 4IN / 4OUT soundcard built-in. So, yes; you are correct that there are not 4 dedicated outputs. That however does not mean you can't do 4 deck mixing. Which is what I said was invalid and invalid statement. You immediately jumped to the 'outputs' argument and completely ignored the first part of your statement.

So everyone else understands the 'confusion' ...

The proper setup is using the Headphones option where 2 OUTs (1 Stereo) is for Master and 2 OUTs (1 Stereo) is for Headphones.
In this mode you can either run 2 or 4 deck configurations. You do not need dedicated audio channels to have 4 deck mixing.
In addition, the N4 provides 2 AUX inputs that can be toggled on channels 3 and 4 for additional input sources to be controlled through the N4 mixer section. Also, since the N4 provides 4 INs (2 Stereo); the N4 can be used in a DVS setup as well.

Is that better?
 
cstoll wrote :
You imply that you can not have 4 deck mixing in VirtualDJ because there are not 4 dedicated outputs.


No I didn't imply that. I said that the OP wouldn't be able to set each of four decks to its own dedicated output - based on him saying he was getting a "not enough channels" error.

What I wrote was correct.

cstoll wrote :
you are correct that there are not 4 dedicated outputs.


Well praise the lord! It's finally sunken in!

cstoll wrote :
That however does not mean you can't do 4 deck mixing.


I never said that you can't do four deck mixing. Once again, I said that you can't send each deck to a separate USB audio channel.

Phew....
 
Glad you can keep side stepping the point and only look at your own.

But have a good day.
 
The point is that (in the first six posts) I helped the OP and he thanked me, before you came along (post 7) and started throwing accusations around, trying to pick holes in what I'd written (no surprise there then LOL).

You appear to be the only one who (apparently) misunderstood what I wrote, and despite me clarifying it several times, you continued to insist that I was wrong.

All I've done is try to clear things up by explaining.
 
Just out of curiosity you still want to eliminate the \"Error in the ASIO sound driver. Not enough channels\", please follow the direction below.
 
 
hi the numark n4 do need the asio driver so i have the n4 an i call numar an them take access to my computer an them fix it thank u the only problem i am having is i up grade to the pro an its freezing my virtual an that geting up set an very mad
 
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