903dj
I recently started playing with clone_deck and using loop rolls on one of the decks while the song continues playing on the other. When I clone a deck I get a slight increase in volume, and when I stop one of the tracks the volume decreases back to the previous level.
I've checked the gain, crossfader, eq, filter, faders etc... to ensure they're not effecting the sound. Is this normal or something I can fix so that there's not an increase or drop in the volume.
I've checked the gain, crossfader, eq, filter, faders etc... to ensure they're not effecting the sound. Is this normal or something I can fix so that there's not an increase or drop in the volume.
geposted Fri 14 Jun 13 @ 1:15 pm
Mikey_With
You've not got Auto Gain+Remember switched on under config, have you?
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geposted Fri 14 Jun 13 @ 3:54 pm
903dj
Mikey_With wrote :
You've not got Auto Gain+Remember switched on under config, have you?
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No it was on Auto, but I've even changed the Auto Gain to all the available options and still get the same result.
geposted Fri 14 Jun 13 @ 5:01 pm
djdad
See if the Crossfader set to "Smooth" or "Full" makes any difference (Config-->Options). Most likely you need to have it in "Full".
Which controller/mixer do you use ?
Which controller/mixer do you use ?
geposted Fri 14 Jun 13 @ 7:35 pm
903dj
djdad wrote :
See if the Crossfader set to "Smooth" or "Full" makes any difference (Config-->Options). Most likely you need to have it in "Full".
Which controller/mixer do you use ?
Which controller/mixer do you use ?
I had found that suggestion (Crossfader) somewhere else on the forum and already checked that. It's set to "Full".
I'm using my MC3000 and an Akai LPD8.
geposted Fri 14 Jun 13 @ 8:41 pm
903dj
I've changed my sound options and even my cables and configurations to from the deck to my mixer and no change. If I turn the low e
geposted Sun 16 Jun 13 @ 7:22 pm
903dj
I've tried multiple sound configurations and even changed from rca to 1/4" cables and connections to my mixer. I still get the same results.
I definitely see a change in the bass. If I turn it down on both decks the sound change is minimal.
I definitely see a change in the bass. If I turn it down on both decks the sound change is minimal.
geposted Sun 16 Jun 13 @ 7:46 pm
jucenic
I have the same problem, any body know how to resolve it?
geposted Mon 17 Jun 13 @ 1:23 am
groovindj
I'm not quite sure I'm on the same page here, but you're saying that the volume is louder when you're playing two tracks and when you stop one, the volume goes back down?
That's normal. Each additional track you play will add volume to the output. If you have the limiter on, this will also affect the output level once you reach the maximum permissible volume.
That's normal. Each additional track you play will add volume to the output. If you have the limiter on, this will also affect the output level once you reach the maximum permissible volume.
geposted Mon 17 Jun 13 @ 5:29 am
903dj
groovindj wrote :
I'm not quite sure I'm on the same page here, but you're saying that the volume is louder when you're playing two tracks and when you stop one, the volume goes back down?
That's normal. Each additional track you play will add volume to the output. If you have the limiter on, this will also affect the output level once you reach the maximum permissible volume.
That's normal. Each additional track you play will add volume to the output. If you have the limiter on, this will also affect the output level once you reach the maximum permissible volume.
Maybe it's me being new to DJ'ing, but it just seems odd that playing the same track side by side would create an increase in the master volume.
Is this due to the crossfader curve?
geposted Mon 17 Jun 13 @ 10:40 am
903dj
Now this is weird and just adds to my confusion.
For testing I'm using VDJ 7.4 on a laptop and keyboard only, a Virtual DJ 2 Deck skin, using the same track on both decks and both decks set identically (i.e. eq's, up faders, filter, etc...). The crossfader is set to 50% (in the middle). The only difference in the decks is that one has to be selected as PFL.
So I start the track on one deck and then clone it to the other deck. As long as I don't stop the deck that has been selected as PFL I don't get the volume drop or if I do it's very minimal.
While the PFL selected track is the ONLY track playing I can manually select the other decks PFL and I notice a drop in volume.
Is that normal?
For testing I'm using VDJ 7.4 on a laptop and keyboard only, a Virtual DJ 2 Deck skin, using the same track on both decks and both decks set identically (i.e. eq's, up faders, filter, etc...). The crossfader is set to 50% (in the middle). The only difference in the decks is that one has to be selected as PFL.
So I start the track on one deck and then clone it to the other deck. As long as I don't stop the deck that has been selected as PFL I don't get the volume drop or if I do it's very minimal.
While the PFL selected track is the ONLY track playing I can manually select the other decks PFL and I notice a drop in volume.
Is that normal?
geposted Mon 17 Jun 13 @ 10:59 am
groovindj
903dj wrote :
Maybe it's me being new to DJ'ing, but it just seems odd that playing the same track side by side would create an increase in the master volume.
No, it's not odd.
Two tracks (same or different ones) produce more output than one track - just like two speakers make more noise than one.
It's also one reason why crossfaders have curves. Ordinarily the volume would increase towards the middle of the crossfader because both tracks are playing, so the curve is there to compensate, by dipping in the middle.
The master output volume also increases when you boost EQ.
I'd suggest you do a spot of reading up on the subject. It's useful stuff for DJs.
geposted Mon 17 Jun 13 @ 11:39 am
903dj
I'm always looking to further my knowledge. I just haven't found anything really related to this particular topic. Any suggestions or links for reading material would be greatly appreciated?
So if the crossfader curve dips in the middle there wouldn't be an increase in volume right or actually there is but the corssfader adjustment curve compensates for it?
groovindj wrote :
It's also one reason why crossfaders have curves. Ordinarily the volume would increase towards the middle of the crossfader because both tracks are playing, so the curve is there to compensate, by dipping in the middle.
It's also one reason why crossfaders have curves. Ordinarily the volume would increase towards the middle of the crossfader because both tracks are playing, so the curve is there to compensate, by dipping in the middle.
So if the crossfader curve dips in the middle there wouldn't be an increase in volume right or actually there is but the corssfader adjustment curve compensates for it?
geposted Mon 17 Jun 13 @ 12:04 pm
brunoliv
Its a physics law. When you put 2 exact waves together their "power" doubles. its not a software problem or a miss config.
its just physics
its just physics
geposted Mon 17 Jun 13 @ 3:54 pm
903dj
brunoliv wrote :
Its a physics law. When you put 2 exact waves together their "power" doubles. its not a software problem or a miss config.
its just physics
its just physics
So this is happening more often than I realized and has become more noticeable because I've been playing 2 tracks that have identical wave forms and the increase in volume is happening continuously?
With 2 different tracks the wave forms are less likely to be the same for any amount of time to create the continued doubled power making it less obvious when/if it actually occurs.
geposted Mon 17 Jun 13 @ 4:40 pm
here2stay
I notice a problem also with automix. When a song is played that needs more gain to match the volume (auto gain) as it fades to the new song the volume of the previous song is also raised. For some reason it only happens on my laptops. Not my home system. I run 4000 watts with twin double 18" subs. The volume "adjust" or burst will almost make people jump out of there skin and can redline the amp if I'm running close. When I notice it I add a comment to the low volume song (the one that makes the volume of the previous one jump up). I lable it "low audio". Then I group these songs together and try to be aware to manually lower it on my Gemini mixer as it starts. I'd love an answer to this problem!!!
geposted Fri 09 Aug 13 @ 1:37 pm
here2stay
IT'S SUBBASS!!! I just remembered that I don't use my favorite sound effect at home cuz I have upstairs tennants! turn off subbass!!! It will fix the volume jumping! I just did experments with songs that turn the volume down and songs that turn the volume up. No more loud bursts. Try it for your problem. It may be with other audio effects, havn't tried...
geposted Fri 09 Aug 13 @ 2:03 pm
mbxentertainment1
I had this problem....make sure the limiter is turned off under options. For those of you that don't know what a limiter is, it eliminates volume peaks which is supposed to protect your speakers. The problem is you can't set the Virtual DJ's Limiter levels where you would prefer them (to my knowledge). In my opinion, if you want to use a limiter, buy a rack-mountable one. I guarantee that If your hearing a song get loud and then low in Virtual DJ 7 or higher, that is the most definite cause of your issue.
geposted Mon 07 Dec 15 @ 3:40 pm
lincol2
[quote=brunoliv]Its a physics law. When you put 2 exact waves together their "power" doubles. its not a software problem or a miss config.
its just physics[/quo
The "clone_deck" on smart button does increase the total volume.. It's not the cable, controller nor configuration option issue. Just the software issue. I encountered the same . Now we need to defy physic and a find cure.
its just physics[/quo
The "clone_deck" on smart button does increase the total volume.. It's not the cable, controller nor configuration option issue. Just the software issue. I encountered the same . Now we need to defy physic and a find cure.
geposted Mon 07 Dec 15 @ 10:33 pm
A Man and His Music
Groovin explained this earlier, in this thread. If you are playing the exact same song, at the same time, the volume will increase. What part of this is so hard to understand? I have one song kicking a bass drum, now let me add a second song kicking a bass drum at the same time. Wait a minute Rick, are you trying to tell me that, if I have ten guys beating the bass drum at the same time, it will be louder? This is not rocket science.
geposted Mon 07 Dec 15 @ 10:40 pm
