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10 seconds is an age, almost 8 bars at drum and bass tempos.
 
I don't count the time, I just spin the wheel..whatever.

Recommendations by experts are welcome.

Hm an after thought..it might just be an outro being backspun..not a full bassline.
 
It's like farting out loud in public.

short duration not too loud, not too often, isn't too bad
longer duration and pretty loud only once in a while, some will find annoying some won't
too often and people start thinking you've got a problem
 
Are there any settings, or techniques which are important?
Or is it just like farting..which might work.

Hm.. The Fart Transition.
I think you've discovered something !
 
@beatbreaker
But yeah backspins can be tricky. I rarely use them but sometimes they do sound awesome in a mix.

@locodog
It's like farting out loud in public.
short duration not too loud, not too often, isn't too bad
longer duration and pretty loud only once in a while, some will find annoying some won't
too often and people start thinking you've got a problem

@phantom
WHEN I do backspins, I do them on beatmatched tracks as follows:
1. Bring the new track in,
2. Fade the old track slowly
3. When volume of old track is lower than 50%, do a backspin with the jogs.

@kradcliffe
..but using it too often makes you look like a dick basically.
Same problem with certain samples like air horns for example.

Basically select vinyl mode, and just spin the jog wheel backwards.
Latency no longer seems to be a major problem.
I'm of the opinion almost any half decent controller is adequate for backspins.
We can do what we want.
There are no rules, and it's whatever works.
I'm sure I could get away with The Fart Transition once in a night!
Try it twice, and your in the shit.
 
Almost never do a backspin on a controller but I'll do it once in a great while when using my TT's. It sound more natural with time code vinyl.
 
There is no "natural".

It's about what works, and what people are used to, hence they will get used to controllers.
No big deal.

On Saturday night a single backspin worked magnificently using a humble Denon MC3000.
If one is fine..then I can add consistency.
Timing of course is critical.
 
Timecodes be it records or cds sound alot better then your 3000 ever will, lmao!!

Unless you loosen up them jog wheels like I said in a previous post which you ignored, lol!!
 
I'm against anything which resembles an attempt to introduce elitist ideas into the DJ's life.

I have read many specialized articles created by Digitaldjtips.
These skilled people run courses to tutor people in the art of scratching on controllers.
They argue practically all controllers are up to the task.
I believe them.
A backspin is little different in principle since we move the jog wheel and a sound is produced.

"Sounds better" is a phrase referring to how the mind perseveres a sound.
I had the privilege of assisting in a Nigerian function involving a band, and disco.
Their unique music must sound better to them, however it gave me a headache.
They did not use a single song from the West.
I've assisted in Sri Lankan disco's, their music is more melodic, and easier on the ear.
It again kept its home based roots.
Little Western music again, hence it must sound better to them than our music.

I do not believe my MC3000 jog wheels need loosening,
I'd like to qualify what you said Beatbreaker...in your opinion.
 
Hahaa, ok Ron.

Question, what is elitist about a turntable or cdjs?
 
 
the SOUND INSURGENT wrote :

Question, what is elitist about a turntable or cdjs?
 
Just that they are mostly the tools of the DJ old guard.

Any definciencies in the products offered by the major software / hardware companies will be rapidly corrected. Manufacturing, engineering and science almost equals magic in the year 2016.

So..timecode extends the practical working life of beautiful old hardware. Nice!

It should be noted that the vintage cars on our roads are not more practical than the new. It's just that some people love them.
 
I'm far from an elitist because I use both controllers (Pioneer DDJ-S1 and SX) and TT's. (Tech 1200's with Vestax, American Audio and Pioneer mixers).

If you use the backspin effect, there is without a doubt a big difference in sound quality between doing a physical backspin either on time code vinyl or jogwheels.

But since we're comparing the physical aspect of the backspin, I'll still say there is a big difference in sound quality. Yes, sound is in the ears of the beholder and what one person thinks sounds good another person will not. But we are not talking about what does and does not sound good. We are talking about sound differences. There is absolutely no denying what so ever that there is a difference in sound between doing a backspin on a controller jogwheel versus spinning back a record on a TT. If you can't tell the difference, then your ears can't pick up on it or you're in denial.
 
I'm going with "denial", lol!!
 
An extract from the above link to djdigitaltips:

5 Myths busted
1. Scratching on a controller doesn't sound the same as on vinyl

Actually, that’s correct to a certain extent, but not for the reasons the purists believe. When you scratch on a controller the sound doesn’t jump and, assuming your track sounds clean to begin with, there are no hisses or crackles. The sound you are scratching will not degrade in quality the more you scratch with it, and you don’t get any bass rumble or feedback through the system (all these issues are common with vinyl).

So yes, it’s true, digital scratching doesn’t sound the same as vinyl - for all the right reasons. So what do the naysayers mean when they say this? They’re referring to the “warm” vinyl sound as opposed to digital, about how the digital processing takes the analogue identity out of the sound. Well, if using digital source material is good enough for Qbert, Craze, DJ Angelo, Shiftee and Jazzy Jeff, then this myth is most definitely busted.
 
Verdict is in:
" There is absolutely no denying what so ever that there is a difference in sound between doing a backspin on a controller jogwheel versus spinning back a record on a TT"
 
The key point is that the manufacturers of our hardware / software are awesome.
Yesterday's technology is just that.

Verdict is in:
" There is absolutely no denying what so ever that there is a difference in sound between doing a backspin on a controller jogwheel versus spinning back a record on a TT"

That is true oshit but It does not matter.
A small sound difference for @ 5 seconds is not really noticeable.

It should be noted that the debate has equated vinyl with time coded digital offerings.

Vinyl scratch artists have been able to gain access to 2016 digital technology using timecoding.
They rely on the feel of their turntable.
That's good.
 
I'm unfairly dismissing Beatbreakers suggestion about "loosening the jog wheel".

Do we want less friction leading to a longer backspin?
The damping factor, initial rotational velocity, and inertia of the jog wheel are the important variables in the digital sound world.
If they choose, engineers can resolve any differences.

If I remember correctly the wheels on a mc3000 have a steel shaft running in a bronze bush, and no lubrication.
Just a little grease will help reduce friction.
I'm not going to do it, but is it worth it to some people?
This would result in a longer backspin, which slowed down less rapidly.

 
But the thing Craze, QBert and Jazzy is, they turn the keylock off which Digital DJ doesn't even mention.

And yes the hisses and crackles is part of that true backspin sound so why would you want them taken out!?!

Look, Phil and his crew are good but theres no way in hell id pay them to learn how to scratch plus the fact that bomb your email with crap every other day!!

I mean Dj Angelo has free scratch lessons on YouTube, QBert has a whole series on YouTube, theres absolutely NO reason to fork over money for things we can learn for free.

Those dudes have been pimping themselves out for awhile and that's all fine but not everything they say Ron is true.......
 


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