DJ Don Gorgan
1. I NEED THE COLORED WAVE FORMS GREY OUT ON STEMS
2. I NEED THE DECK TO CLONE WITH THE PRESENTLY SELECTED STEMS (NOT SURE IF ITS A MAPPING ISSUE )
3. STEM 2.0 SEPARATION TO BE FASTER (950GTX 4GB VRAM +12GB RAM DDR3 I7 INTEL) TAKES 3-5 MINUTES
4. AFTER SOMEONE PURCHASES APP A MAPPER FOR THEIR PARTICULAR CONTROLLER MAY BE NEEDED IT TOOK ME SOME TIME TO CALIBRATE VDJ TO SIMILAR SETTINGS OF SERATO.... MY FRIENDS USE SERATO AND WHEN WE CHANGE OVER MY QUALITY IS NOTABLY POORER IN THE FREQUENCIES USING SAME CONTROLLER SCRATCH ALSO SOUNDS DIFFERENT
5. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO COLOR THE ENTIRE HOTCUE PADS IN THE GUI (LIKE SERATO )
6. THE ABILITY TO COLOR TRACKS ACCORDING TO CAMELOT WHEEL
7. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF USING AN OS LIKE WIN 7 WITH MUCH LESS BACKGROUND APPS WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE FOR STEM PROCESSING WITH TODAY'S HARDWARE ...IS THERE A WAY?
THOSE ARE THE FEW THINGS I THINK WOULD MAKE VDJ MORE COMPETITIVE AND ATTRACTIVE AGAINST MY SERATO COUNTERPARTS.
2. I NEED THE DECK TO CLONE WITH THE PRESENTLY SELECTED STEMS (NOT SURE IF ITS A MAPPING ISSUE )
3. STEM 2.0 SEPARATION TO BE FASTER (950GTX 4GB VRAM +12GB RAM DDR3 I7 INTEL) TAKES 3-5 MINUTES
4. AFTER SOMEONE PURCHASES APP A MAPPER FOR THEIR PARTICULAR CONTROLLER MAY BE NEEDED IT TOOK ME SOME TIME TO CALIBRATE VDJ TO SIMILAR SETTINGS OF SERATO.... MY FRIENDS USE SERATO AND WHEN WE CHANGE OVER MY QUALITY IS NOTABLY POORER IN THE FREQUENCIES USING SAME CONTROLLER SCRATCH ALSO SOUNDS DIFFERENT
5. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO COLOR THE ENTIRE HOTCUE PADS IN THE GUI (LIKE SERATO )
6. THE ABILITY TO COLOR TRACKS ACCORDING TO CAMELOT WHEEL
7. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF USING AN OS LIKE WIN 7 WITH MUCH LESS BACKGROUND APPS WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE FOR STEM PROCESSING WITH TODAY'S HARDWARE ...IS THERE A WAY?
THOSE ARE THE FEW THINGS I THINK WOULD MAKE VDJ MORE COMPETITIVE AND ATTRACTIVE AGAINST MY SERATO COUNTERPARTS.
geposted Mon 06 Jan 25 @ 11:47 pm
kradcliffe
Reading some of those comments you clearly don't have a clue.
geposted Tue 07 Jan 25 @ 8:24 am
DJ VinylTouch
I'll eloaborare a bit/take a slightly gentler stab at the points.
Tbh, imo, none of the things you mentioned really are tech support issues, they are nice to haves/feature requests, and it's okay to bring them up, but please make sure you search the forums and read the user manual to know the state of affairs before making a new post.
An addition: Atomix is not in the business of making VirtualDJ = Serato - Serato is one implementation of how to solve the problem of mixing music and representing that on screen, however it is not the only way. If that is how you are approaching the use of the software, you'll never use it effectively. Be open to what is provided, read the manual, ask questions where things are uncovered and learn the VirtualDJ way - your experience will improve greatly as a result.
- I think is true - this ability doesn't exist yet but imo that is not a need (it affects nothing you hear and really you should be focusing on that and your equipment rather than your screen to determine the level of a stem part)
- This is something I've seen too and it was discussed (stem levels not being oart of the clone), but you could get around it with additional vdjscript in theory
- is because you not having a good enough machine + GPU. Besides the stems specific info on the Minimum Requirements page, there are a few posts on the topic with some speed measurements - here is one.
- is a well discussed topic (Seraro coloring its output, VirrualDJ being true to the original output), and there are a few posts with suggestions on how to narrow that (adjusting your zeroDB level, using a loudness maximizer on your master output). Please search the forum for those.
- Is another asthetic issue that is solvable with skin adjustment but really has no bearing on sound output (once again, imo, focus on your mixing/equipment, rather than your screen). The color information is being represented on the pads, but it's up to the skins to determine how that is displayed.
- This is already doable and even automatically (read up on color rules)
- It's not clear why you would think going back to a discontinued OS, for which a VirtualDJ version with stems would most likely not run, would be helpful.
Tbh, imo, none of the things you mentioned really are tech support issues, they are nice to haves/feature requests, and it's okay to bring them up, but please make sure you search the forums and read the user manual to know the state of affairs before making a new post.
An addition: Atomix is not in the business of making VirtualDJ = Serato - Serato is one implementation of how to solve the problem of mixing music and representing that on screen, however it is not the only way. If that is how you are approaching the use of the software, you'll never use it effectively. Be open to what is provided, read the manual, ask questions where things are uncovered and learn the VirtualDJ way - your experience will improve greatly as a result.
geposted Tue 07 Jan 25 @ 1:16 pm
DJ Don Gorgan
kradcliffe wrote :
Reading some of those comments you clearly don't have a clue.
I clearly didn't ask for opinions.... if you don't have a positive suggestion then your input here is not needed.
geposted Tue 07 Jan 25 @ 3:03 pm
DJ Don Gorgan
DJ VInyl touch :
1. Not the levels of the stem part... it is to know where the vocal stem begins as timing and speed is involved i am not always able to use the headphones as the instrumental stem plays on deck 1 & main, starting the voice of the other track on deck 2 i.e where it should be started is VIP i can begin scratching to time my scratch to start with deck 1 's beat not being able to see it is a hindrance I'm using colored wave forms.... also wishing that eq adjustments show on colored wave forms
2. Although i hv mapped keyboard shorts for cloning it does not clone stem ....currently looking for mapping to clone stem
3. Technically im asking virtual Dj to make a better algorithm that can do stem 2.0 faster with a basic gamer machine .. what if there is a better algorithm that will come soon?... what if ?
4. Nearly the entire dj fraternity here use Serato whilst VDJ is frowned upon as a beginner software the "coloring of output" by serato has also left Vdjx64 especially with a beginner sound and it becomes very noticeable when 1 dj plays a set for 3 hrs using serato, exits and a vdj dj then or even worse when the vdj guy was 1st with terrible highs and inaccurate bass then serato dj comes and begins an extreme difference is heard what i want vdj to be audibly comparative to serato.
5. I want vdj to be visually competitive with serato im already using a screen to mix why not add some colors.
6. i am using a Win7 machine daily (not my dj machine) with today's hardware it worx like a speeding bullet boots up in less than 10 secs..programs open without hesitation, heavy demand tasks are done in half the time it once took so imo the OS vs hardware makes a big difference ... if the stems could have been used on this type of OS it may have been a totally different chapter of stems.
I found the color rule script wished it was an on and off feature tho .......& i really haven't the time to search a forum that is not giving content oriented answers.
i have been using vdj ..atomix since its very 1st days and where i come from it is well known that serato has overtaken vdj , my peers use serato on Mac books the screens on these are a bit different (more colorful) , im using windows laptop it is my "wish" that i am able to color my pads yes for visual cohesion.
If a software has been around since the notion of mixing music on a screen was thought of e.g vdj atomix and then in time another software emerges with new aspects that cause the masses to flock to them, then a closer look needs to be taken as to why?... nearly all pro djs and Fm radio (in my country) use serato i am telling you an unbiased opinion .yes serato sounds better most importantly the scratch sounds better without having to set freq or calibrate touch and yes it even looks better
It would be helpful if a mapper for calibrations such as the touch wheel be given for users of specific controllers since I had to open serato to observe how its EQ and wave form & touch wheel is calibrated on beat grid to get my touch wheel on a sb3 to be similar for vdj as well as key comparisons to get a feel of how a serato dj will play what key will be alongside what key since we play riddims is not technical support i looking for these are my aspirations for vdj for me to be happy and keep using it .
BTW is there a pioneer controller currently that comes per-configured for and with virtual dj?
1. Not the levels of the stem part... it is to know where the vocal stem begins as timing and speed is involved i am not always able to use the headphones as the instrumental stem plays on deck 1 & main, starting the voice of the other track on deck 2 i.e where it should be started is VIP i can begin scratching to time my scratch to start with deck 1 's beat not being able to see it is a hindrance I'm using colored wave forms.... also wishing that eq adjustments show on colored wave forms
2. Although i hv mapped keyboard shorts for cloning it does not clone stem ....currently looking for mapping to clone stem
3. Technically im asking virtual Dj to make a better algorithm that can do stem 2.0 faster with a basic gamer machine .. what if there is a better algorithm that will come soon?... what if ?
4. Nearly the entire dj fraternity here use Serato whilst VDJ is frowned upon as a beginner software the "coloring of output" by serato has also left Vdjx64 especially with a beginner sound and it becomes very noticeable when 1 dj plays a set for 3 hrs using serato, exits and a vdj dj then or even worse when the vdj guy was 1st with terrible highs and inaccurate bass then serato dj comes and begins an extreme difference is heard what i want vdj to be audibly comparative to serato.
5. I want vdj to be visually competitive with serato im already using a screen to mix why not add some colors.
6. i am using a Win7 machine daily (not my dj machine) with today's hardware it worx like a speeding bullet boots up in less than 10 secs..programs open without hesitation, heavy demand tasks are done in half the time it once took so imo the OS vs hardware makes a big difference ... if the stems could have been used on this type of OS it may have been a totally different chapter of stems.
I found the color rule script wished it was an on and off feature tho .......& i really haven't the time to search a forum that is not giving content oriented answers.
i have been using vdj ..atomix since its very 1st days and where i come from it is well known that serato has overtaken vdj , my peers use serato on Mac books the screens on these are a bit different (more colorful) , im using windows laptop it is my "wish" that i am able to color my pads yes for visual cohesion.
If a software has been around since the notion of mixing music on a screen was thought of e.g vdj atomix and then in time another software emerges with new aspects that cause the masses to flock to them, then a closer look needs to be taken as to why?... nearly all pro djs and Fm radio (in my country) use serato i am telling you an unbiased opinion .yes serato sounds better most importantly the scratch sounds better without having to set freq or calibrate touch and yes it even looks better
It would be helpful if a mapper for calibrations such as the touch wheel be given for users of specific controllers since I had to open serato to observe how its EQ and wave form & touch wheel is calibrated on beat grid to get my touch wheel on a sb3 to be similar for vdj as well as key comparisons to get a feel of how a serato dj will play what key will be alongside what key since we play riddims is not technical support i looking for these are my aspirations for vdj for me to be happy and keep using it .
BTW is there a pioneer controller currently that comes per-configured for and with virtual dj?
geposted Tue 07 Jan 25 @ 5:42 pm
DJ VinylTouch
DJ Don Gorgan wrote :
1. Not the levels of the stem part... it is to know where the vocal stem begins as timing and speed is involved i am not always able to use the headphones as the instrumental stem plays on deck 1 & main, starting the voice of the other track on deck 2 i.e where it should be started is VIP i can begin scratching to time my scratch to start with deck 1 's beat not being able to see it is a hindrance
1. Not the levels of the stem part... it is to know where the vocal stem begins as timing and speed is involved i am not always able to use the headphones as the instrumental stem plays on deck 1 & main, starting the voice of the other track on deck 2 i.e where it should be started is VIP i can begin scratching to time my scratch to start with deck 1 's beat not being able to see it is a hindrance
This is covered by the Shapes waveform and the scratching part could be covered by smart cue point placement + knowing the music you are playing (looking at your screen to scratch/know when to scratch takes away from the ability to scratch imo because the things you are using to scratch aren't on screen, they are in front of you on your hardware setup). What did you do before stems became mainstream?
DJ Don Gorgan wrote :
I'm using colored wave forms.... also wishing that eq adjustments show on colored wave forms
I'm using colored wave forms.... also wishing that eq adjustments show on colored wave forms
This isn't covered and could be implemented but is a minor issue. Even if you mix without headphones, what do you pads and EQ say about the stem status (on the controller/mixer)?
DJ Don Gorgan wrote :
2. Although i hv mapped keyboard shorts for cloning it does not clone stem ....currently looking for mapping to clone stem
2. Although i hv mapped keyboard shorts for cloning it does not clone stem ....currently looking for mapping to clone stem
If you try your hand at some vdjscript you can probably get the job done. I'm not in position to workout + confirm the details for you rn but there are many script experta that are prob available can help with that (the foundation starts woth clone_from_deck
DJ Don Gorgan wrote :
3. Technically im asking virtual Dj to make a better algorithm that can do stem 2.0 faster with a basic gamer machine .. what if there is a better algorithm that will come soon?... what if ?
3. Technically im asking virtual Dj to make a better algorithm that can do stem 2.0 faster with a basic gamer machine .. what if there is a better algorithm that will come soon?... what if ?
If you actually knew the technical details of what you were asking, you probably wouldn't have asked it.
Do you know of what they are even doing for the current stems 2.0 algorithm? Can you think of a better algorithm?
DJ Don Gorgan wrote :
4. Nearly the entire dj fraternity here use Serato whilst VDJ is frowned upon as a beginner software the "coloring of output" by serato has also left Vdjx64 especially with a beginner sound and it becomes very noticeable when 1 dj plays a set for 3 hrs using serato, exits and a vdj dj then or even worse when the vdj guy was 1st with terrible highs and inaccurate bass then serato dj comes and begins an extreme difference is heard what i want vdj to be audibly comparative to serato.
4. Nearly the entire dj fraternity here use Serato whilst VDJ is frowned upon as a beginner software the "coloring of output" by serato has also left Vdjx64 especially with a beginner sound and it becomes very noticeable when 1 dj plays a set for 3 hrs using serato, exits and a vdj dj then or even worse when the vdj guy was 1st with terrible highs and inaccurate bass then serato dj comes and begins an extreme difference is heard what i want vdj to be audibly comparative to serato.
Thia will sound harsh but - this is of no fault to Atomix...it's entirely to blame on marketing, influencers and unfortunately, DJs who just follow other DJs/aren't open to alternatives.
5. I want vdj to be visually competitive with serato im already using a screen to mix why not add some colors. There is at least one post on here that explains why the output os uncoloured (it is true to the original sound which is what you should really want), but because another vendor went and broke that rule and got a huge following, it is believed by many that other vendors should follow but that isn't a given (Watching a large group jump off the cliff doesn't mean you should do it too). However, I do understand the nature of the industry and I also advocate for some optional coloring too...but we are also saying there is at least a way to do it now, even if it isn't built in. For what it's worth, this isn't a VirtualDJ only problem...other prominent platforms have made a similar decision to Atomix in their output type (and there are similar complaints on their forum)
DJ Don Gorgan wrote :
6. i am using a Win7 machine daily (not my dj machine) with today's hardware it worx like a speeding bullet boots up in less than 10 secs..programs open without hesitation, heavy demand tasks are done in half the time it once took so imo the OS vs hardware makes a big difference ... if the stems could have been used on this type of OS it may have been a totally different chapter of stems.
6. i am using a Win7 machine daily (not my dj machine) with today's hardware it worx like a speeding bullet boots up in less than 10 secs..programs open without hesitation, heavy demand tasks are done in half the time it once took so imo the OS vs hardware makes a big difference ... if the stems could have been used on this type of OS it may have been a totally different chapter of stems.
Just because it works well for your tasks, it doesn't mean it would work well for what you are asking (stems and AI processing). You have to remember that the occurence of stems in VirtualDJ came well after Windows 7, and machine resources + what can be done within the OS matter in that case, not just the OS and how it works in a probably very unrelated use case.
DJ Don Gorgan wrote :
I found the color rule script wished it was an on and off feature tho
I found the color rule script wished it was an on and off feature tho
This sounds like a color rule is not what you want to use - you want a quick filter. I'm guessing you are probably thinking of coloring as the answer because of your Serato usage, but there are many other effective methods of narrowing being offerend by VirtualDJ if you take the time to figure them out.
DJ Don Gorgan wrote :
.......& i really haven't the time to search a forum that is not giving content oriented answers.
.......& i really haven't the time to search a forum that is not giving content oriented answers.
This sounds like an overgeneralization and mischaracterisation of the forum content. Ppl here really want to help, but if you don't want to start the process for yourself, ppl may look down on that because it sends the message that you don't want to try to learn.
DJ Don Gorgan wrote :
i have been using vdj ..atomix since its very 1st days and where i come from it is well known that serato has overtaken vdj , my peers use serato on Mac books the screens on these are a bit different (more colorful) , im using windows laptop it is my "wish" that i am able to color my pads yes for visual cohesion.
If a software has been around since the notion of mixing music on a screen was thought of e.g vdj atomix and then in time another software emerges with new aspects that cause the masses to flock to them, then a closer look needs to be taken as to why?... nearly all pro djs and Fm radio (in my country) use serato i am telling you an unbiased opinion .yes serato sounds better most importantly the scratch sounds better without having to set freq or calibrate touch and yes it even looks better
i have been using vdj ..atomix since its very 1st days and where i come from it is well known that serato has overtaken vdj , my peers use serato on Mac books the screens on these are a bit different (more colorful) , im using windows laptop it is my "wish" that i am able to color my pads yes for visual cohesion.
If a software has been around since the notion of mixing music on a screen was thought of e.g vdj atomix and then in time another software emerges with new aspects that cause the masses to flock to them, then a closer look needs to be taken as to why?... nearly all pro djs and Fm radio (in my country) use serato i am telling you an unbiased opinion .yes serato sounds better most importantly the scratch sounds better without having to set freq or calibrate touch and yes it even looks better
Not trying to sound harsh here agsin but...what others use or don't use or flock to isn't really relevant to the matter here - it's not even guaranteed that their choices are unbiased/objective at all given the current climate of the DJ industry (ppl often learn from others and watch marketing videos and videos of ppl they look up to to make decisions instead of coming to their own conclusions).
What matters is if the software can help you do the things you need it to do for song selection and mixing, and how much effort it is to get that done using the software.
DJ Don Gorgan wrote :
It would be helpful if a mapper for calibrations such as the touch wheel be given for users of specific controllers since I had to open serato to observe how its EQ and wave form & touch wheel is calibrated on beat grid to get my touch wheel on a sb3 to be similar for vdj as well as key comparisons to get a feel of how a serato dj will play what key will be alongside what key since we play riddims is not technical support i looking for these are my aspirations for vdj for me to be happy and keep using it .
It would be helpful if a mapper for calibrations such as the touch wheel be given for users of specific controllers since I had to open serato to observe how its EQ and wave form & touch wheel is calibrated on beat grid to get my touch wheel on a sb3 to be similar for vdj as well as key comparisons to get a feel of how a serato dj will play what key will be alongside what key since we play riddims is not technical support i looking for these are my aspirations for vdj for me to be happy and keep using it .
For all mapped controlls you can look at the Controllers tab and pretty much manipulate the controls and see what happens in the Activity box. There are options for touch and jogwheel movement multipliers in the options themselves, just check the list
DJ Don Gorgan wrote :
BTW is there a pioneer controller currently that comes per-configured for and with virtual dj?
BTW is there a pioneer controller currently that comes per-configured for and with virtual dj?
Check the Pioneer Hardware page...there are many and literally any new controller mixer they have on the market is supported currently (at time of this writing).
geposted Tue 07 Jan 25 @ 6:26 pm
DJ Don Gorgan
Dj Vinyl Touch:
In the shapes form it is difficult to see where the voice is ... I'm now using the new stem version of the wave form, it only takes a while to switch from old color form to new stem form color, the voice is more visible here i believe it may not be so far on the horizon to separate the color form is all...... looking at the screen is essential to the mix my hands know the controller very well & i can play it in the dark, i can play without looking and i don’t have to look at my hands to see what they are doing on the hardware I see the GUI it presents info as I manipulate the hardware, as your name suggests you may be accustom to looking at the record spin but i see it on the screen & what I did before stems needs to be incorporated with stems , not a separate thing so i see these visual tools helping me achieve those new additions of mine , I believe the software can do it.
I ended up re-mapping beat jump pad on my controller for a stem switch up and for different cue points too
“Can you think of a better algorithm?"
well if there is one to be had ....could be in the future just hoping it would appear soon.
"Watching a large group jump off the cliff doesn't mean you should do it too"
In this case my friend they are not jumping off the cliff they are going higher up the mountain.
I "wished" the Camelot wheel coloring was an option from since its discovery as I have already colored tracks according to different things.
Life is short and my time to play is extremely slim and I'm very, very busy in between, I have already invested hundreds of hours cuing tracks making playlists and so on....... my time with my DJ machine has since been sacrificed since stems has come in, the machine is left at home in ac and with a fan to compute stems..... on the weekends i can play but that time too has been sacrificed due to get mapping issues sorted out and to experiment with the recently processed stems as well as other grievous technical issues, btw only 150 stems can be processed in one day ie 9am to 12 pm
"This sounds like an overgeneralization and mischaracterization of the forum content. Ppl here really want to help, but if you don't want to start the process for yourself, ppl may look down on that because it sends the message that you don't want to try to learn"
Problem is the search forum only looks for a single word in a line instead of the search words placed together in a line for more accurate results, i have started the process by this post and previous i don't see the help running my way get a lot of critics though.
As i said before i have used the software for years even in its early atomix form with the blue screen and i want to see it evolve,, i have stuck with it and made it perform very well against its serato competitor. As a vdj man i can tell we have the edge in the manipulation of the software and customization of it but that is very time consuming, where as the other guys just play, i have to be configuring that's why i ask for the mapper for the touch wheel when u purchase app for a particular controller give the person the mapper especially for the jog wheel.
All that time i can be playing i would have to be looking for this and that, its like having ms office and having to write code for it to skip a line or change the color of a word think about that for a second.
I asked
"BTW is there a pioneer controller currently that comes per-configured for and with virtual dj?"
The actual answer there is no… none of the new & available pioneer controllers are made for virtual dj, virtual dj is supported but wasn't made for it, big difference. i owned an audio pipe controller, that came with vdj7 LE but this too did not come with a pre-configured jog wheel the difference is the touch setting on the jog they come pre-calibrated for serato and are plug and play whilst vdj has to be configured by guess.
ATM IM WISHING FOR A NEW FEATURE AGAIN :
IF THE EQ SETTING WERE TO BE SET IN A RANGE PARAMETER THEN IT WOULD BE EASIER TO SET
EG LOW 40-250, MID 250-2000, HIGH 2000-15000
CENTRAL RANGE ON WHICH TYPE OF FILTER IS IT LINKWITZ RILEY OR BUTTERWORTH OR SOME OTHER?
OR
CENTRAL RANGE MEANING IF I WANT THE ABOVE RANGE SETTING I WOULD BE SETTING IT AT
LOW 105 MIDDLE FREQ BETWEEN 40 AN 250 NOW TURNING DIAL TO 0% WOULD THAT BE 40 AND TURNING DIAL TO 100% WOULD THAT BE 250
OR
IS IT CENTRAL RANGE ON GAIN OF THAT FREQUENCY ALONE ?
SINCE THE MAPPING FOR THOSE KNOBS ARE FROM 0-100% MEANING IF SET AT 250 INDICATES TO BE A +/- GAIN OF "X" DB ON 250 ?
THE "X" HERE BEING UNKNOWN IF ITS A 6DB OR 12DB OR WHATEVER DB IS IT GAINING BY...?
GETTING IT TO SOUND PROPER IS A PROBLEM WITH THE 64 BIT THE 32 BIT..... VDJ8 ON WIN 7 SOUNDED WELL OVER THE YEARS THAT WAS MY B4 MACHINE I STILL HAVE IT AS A BACK UP
AS I SAID THE STEM MACHINE IS AT HOME ALL DAY WITH VDJX64 ENCODING STEMS, I RETURN AT 11.30PM UPON PLAYING A TRACK IT IS NOTICEABLY SCRATCHY AND DISTORTED.
QUALITY IS A MUST HAVE WHEN DEALING WITH THIS TYPE OF MIXING
THAT WAS #1 REASON I DID NOT USE STEMS BEFORE ON THIS PLATFORM DISTORTION AFTER 1-2HRS OF PLAY WAS EXTREMELY AUDIBLE SO I USED THE 32 BIT INSTEAD.
GONNA SEE IF I CAN PLAYBACK STEMS ON THE OLD WIN 7 32 BIT FOR QUALITY SAKE
UNDERSTAND THIS I'M AN "I.T" GUY THAT JUST WANTS TO PLAY MUSIC..... IF I HAVE TO TWEAK ALL THE TIME IT WILL FEEL LIKE WORK....
In the shapes form it is difficult to see where the voice is ... I'm now using the new stem version of the wave form, it only takes a while to switch from old color form to new stem form color, the voice is more visible here i believe it may not be so far on the horizon to separate the color form is all...... looking at the screen is essential to the mix my hands know the controller very well & i can play it in the dark, i can play without looking and i don’t have to look at my hands to see what they are doing on the hardware I see the GUI it presents info as I manipulate the hardware, as your name suggests you may be accustom to looking at the record spin but i see it on the screen & what I did before stems needs to be incorporated with stems , not a separate thing so i see these visual tools helping me achieve those new additions of mine , I believe the software can do it.
I ended up re-mapping beat jump pad on my controller for a stem switch up and for different cue points too
“Can you think of a better algorithm?"
well if there is one to be had ....could be in the future just hoping it would appear soon.
"Watching a large group jump off the cliff doesn't mean you should do it too"
In this case my friend they are not jumping off the cliff they are going higher up the mountain.
I "wished" the Camelot wheel coloring was an option from since its discovery as I have already colored tracks according to different things.
Life is short and my time to play is extremely slim and I'm very, very busy in between, I have already invested hundreds of hours cuing tracks making playlists and so on....... my time with my DJ machine has since been sacrificed since stems has come in, the machine is left at home in ac and with a fan to compute stems..... on the weekends i can play but that time too has been sacrificed due to get mapping issues sorted out and to experiment with the recently processed stems as well as other grievous technical issues, btw only 150 stems can be processed in one day ie 9am to 12 pm
"This sounds like an overgeneralization and mischaracterization of the forum content. Ppl here really want to help, but if you don't want to start the process for yourself, ppl may look down on that because it sends the message that you don't want to try to learn"
Problem is the search forum only looks for a single word in a line instead of the search words placed together in a line for more accurate results, i have started the process by this post and previous i don't see the help running my way get a lot of critics though.
As i said before i have used the software for years even in its early atomix form with the blue screen and i want to see it evolve,, i have stuck with it and made it perform very well against its serato competitor. As a vdj man i can tell we have the edge in the manipulation of the software and customization of it but that is very time consuming, where as the other guys just play, i have to be configuring that's why i ask for the mapper for the touch wheel when u purchase app for a particular controller give the person the mapper especially for the jog wheel.
All that time i can be playing i would have to be looking for this and that, its like having ms office and having to write code for it to skip a line or change the color of a word think about that for a second.
I asked
"BTW is there a pioneer controller currently that comes per-configured for and with virtual dj?"
The actual answer there is no… none of the new & available pioneer controllers are made for virtual dj, virtual dj is supported but wasn't made for it, big difference. i owned an audio pipe controller, that came with vdj7 LE but this too did not come with a pre-configured jog wheel the difference is the touch setting on the jog they come pre-calibrated for serato and are plug and play whilst vdj has to be configured by guess.
ATM IM WISHING FOR A NEW FEATURE AGAIN :
IF THE EQ SETTING WERE TO BE SET IN A RANGE PARAMETER THEN IT WOULD BE EASIER TO SET
EG LOW 40-250, MID 250-2000, HIGH 2000-15000
CENTRAL RANGE ON WHICH TYPE OF FILTER IS IT LINKWITZ RILEY OR BUTTERWORTH OR SOME OTHER?
OR
CENTRAL RANGE MEANING IF I WANT THE ABOVE RANGE SETTING I WOULD BE SETTING IT AT
LOW 105 MIDDLE FREQ BETWEEN 40 AN 250 NOW TURNING DIAL TO 0% WOULD THAT BE 40 AND TURNING DIAL TO 100% WOULD THAT BE 250
OR
IS IT CENTRAL RANGE ON GAIN OF THAT FREQUENCY ALONE ?
SINCE THE MAPPING FOR THOSE KNOBS ARE FROM 0-100% MEANING IF SET AT 250 INDICATES TO BE A +/- GAIN OF "X" DB ON 250 ?
THE "X" HERE BEING UNKNOWN IF ITS A 6DB OR 12DB OR WHATEVER DB IS IT GAINING BY...?
GETTING IT TO SOUND PROPER IS A PROBLEM WITH THE 64 BIT THE 32 BIT..... VDJ8 ON WIN 7 SOUNDED WELL OVER THE YEARS THAT WAS MY B4 MACHINE I STILL HAVE IT AS A BACK UP
AS I SAID THE STEM MACHINE IS AT HOME ALL DAY WITH VDJX64 ENCODING STEMS, I RETURN AT 11.30PM UPON PLAYING A TRACK IT IS NOTICEABLY SCRATCHY AND DISTORTED.
QUALITY IS A MUST HAVE WHEN DEALING WITH THIS TYPE OF MIXING
THAT WAS #1 REASON I DID NOT USE STEMS BEFORE ON THIS PLATFORM DISTORTION AFTER 1-2HRS OF PLAY WAS EXTREMELY AUDIBLE SO I USED THE 32 BIT INSTEAD.
GONNA SEE IF I CAN PLAYBACK STEMS ON THE OLD WIN 7 32 BIT FOR QUALITY SAKE
UNDERSTAND THIS I'M AN "I.T" GUY THAT JUST WANTS TO PLAY MUSIC..... IF I HAVE TO TWEAK ALL THE TIME IT WILL FEEL LIKE WORK....
geposted Mon 13 Jan 25 @ 6:46 pm
DJ VinylTouch
DJ Don Gorgan wrote :
In the shapes form it is difficult to see where the voice is ... I'm now using the new stem version of the wave form, it only takes a while to switch from old color form to new stem form color, the voice is more visible here i believe it may not be so far on the horizon to separate the color form is all...... looking at the screen is essential to the mix
In the shapes form it is difficult to see where the voice is ... I'm now using the new stem version of the wave form, it only takes a while to switch from old color form to new stem form color, the voice is more visible here i believe it may not be so far on the horizon to separate the color form is all...... looking at the screen is essential to the mix
I think we'll agree to disagree here. To me, what 's essential to mix is having a collection of songs to mix, the tools to transition the songs in front of you (your mixer and the sources of audio) and your ears. Everything else (visualizations of songs, etc) are helpful additions but not requirements.
DJ Don Gorgan wrote :
“Can you think of a better algorithm?"
well if there is one to be had ....could be in the future just hoping it would appear soon
“Can you think of a better algorithm?"
well if there is one to be had ....could be in the future just hoping it would appear soon
That's a given, but maybe do some research on what has been done already for the problem - the different algorithms considered "state of the art" who are responsible for them. You'll quickly realize how hard the problem is/the kind of resources/which ppl & companies were behind them. A new algorithm from start to finish is worthy of a new research paper, conference delivery and maybe even an award in a Software Development area - Atomix is in the business of making DJ software, not necessarily research, and most likely are reusing principles of others in their implementation.
DJ Don Gorgan wrote :
Problem is the search forum only looks for a single word in a line instead of the search words placed together in a line for more accurate results, i have started the process by this post and previous i don't see the help running my way get a lot of critics though.
Problem is the search forum only looks for a single word in a line instead of the search words placed together in a line for more accurate results, i have started the process by this post and previous i don't see the help running my way get a lot of critics though.
I do agree that there is a lot to sift through and the search isn't really the best. Kudos for trying though...minus the critism, ppl are here to help you, regardless of how it may sound.
DJ Don Gorgan wrote :
"Watching a large group jump off the cliff doesn't mean you should do it too"
In this case my friend they are not jumping off the cliff they are going higher up the mountain.
"Watching a large group jump off the cliff doesn't mean you should do it too"
In this case my friend they are not jumping off the cliff they are going higher up the mountain.
Agree to disagree here too. Actually destroying the original dynamic range of a song could never be an upgrade, and just because ppl are accustomed to this behavior doesn't make it right. However I do understand the current need to conform, so I'm not against the request - I was just saying there are options and a reason for the current stance. I also said VirtualDJ isn't the only software to choose this road either, but it's easier to hate on when influencers/others who blindly pledge allegiances to software already kick VirtualDJ aside with claims that it's not professional/industry standard - two claims that are pretty much socially decided, not through objective methods.
DJ Don Gorgan wrote :
"BTW is there a pioneer controller currently that comes per-configured for and with virtual dj?"
The actual answer there is no… none of the new & available pioneer controllers are made for virtual dj, virtual dj is supported but wasn't made for it, big difference.
"BTW is there a pioneer controller currently that comes per-configured for and with virtual dj?"
The actual answer there is no… none of the new & available pioneer controllers are made for virtual dj, virtual dj is supported but wasn't made for it, big difference.
The actual answer is still yes. A controller can be preconfigured for VirtualDJ (which pretty much all current Pioneer/Alphatheta controllers are), but not made for VirtualDJ. As you said, there is a difference, it just sounds like you don't understand the difference/what you are asking 🤷🏾♂️.
The thing is, just because a company puts their brand on a controller doesn't mean they are doing anything different from what the Atomix devs are doing. It's the same audio configuration that software uses, as well as the same control mapping (via MIDI/HID) being done there too. The branding is just an agreement/marketing tactic between the two parties.
When you have agreements, you also implicitly have allegiences...other software that depend on those allegiences sacrific compatibility across brands as a result - in Serato's case they just made deals with all the vendors they think ppl would look at/would be marketed well, but they still are affected -
One brand they don't deal with directly is Allen & Heath, but VirtualDJ doesn't have that problem, so they actually have mappings/config for Allen & Heath products (check the Xone 96 for e.g.).
If you are really that bothered by the controller's not being "branded" with some logo for VirtualDJ then honestly, VirtualDJ might not be for you.
The thing is you have said you're an IT guy - you should know these things then. But there could be a difference between general IT and Software Development, where the latter is really more relevant to what you are asking about - I'm not sure how far you may be down the latter path.
As for the other feature requests - the devs may serve you better on those, but also you should know that many controllers using external mixer setups apply their own EQ filter ranges in the hardware themselves, so it may not necessarily be possible to do what you are asking.
I do agree though that there could be a lot of tweaking to get VirtualDJ just right for one's needs - imo I agree there could be some work done there to help ease the barrier to entry, but things do work well so kudos to the devs for getting to this point.
geposted Mon 13 Jan 25 @ 7:29 pm
DJ Don Gorgan
Here they have a forum for "wishes and new features"
Don't make excuses for them on everything i mention
I told you i have used the software for long time and these are the things that are needed,
Here you are saying you don't need virtual dj
You said:
"I think we'll agree to disagree here. To me, what 's essential to mix is having a collection of songs to mix, the tools to transition the songs in front of you (your mixer and the sources of audio) and your ears. Everything else (visualizations of songs, etc) are helpful additions but not requirements."
Here you end up saying better i not use vdj .....:
"If you are really that bothered by the controller's not being "branded" with some logo for VirtualDJ then honestly, VirtualDJ might not be for you."
but I never said anything about being branded.... the topic which u failed to identify was the jog sensitivity
&
You said:
The actual answer is still yes. A controller can be preconfigured for VirtualDJ (which pretty much all current Pioneer/Alphatheta controllers are), but not made for VirtualDJ. As you said, there is a difference, it just sounds like you don't understand the difference/what you are asking 🤷🏾♂️. "
I never asked if it "can be preconfigured" i asked if it "comes" preconfigured meaning out of the box u can install vdj online and its jog wheel is preset
that answer is..... no ....but u insist to persist..
the difference is that when u purchase a serato controller the jog sensitivity is pre set
using that same controller with virtual dj who is saying its supported does not have such a basic implement.
How many different ways will i tell you the same thing ?
You said:
"That's a given, but maybe do some research on what has been done already for the problem - the different algorithms considered "state of the art" who are responsible for them. "
Windows 95 was considered state of the art at the time bro .... do you understand wishing on the past, present and future
Here im wishing the future of this algorithm happen soon.
Your replies clearly shows that you do not understand what i am stating ... i will remix it for you..
Imagine buying a new car ... and having to digitally set how many times the wheel would spin before a gear is changed ..even before you drive it .... there are some things that come given... ppl who make dj software should think of these things. It is evident that the makers of vdj have not ever considered to map the jog wheel sensitivity of different controllers for dj's who buy the software to have a basis to work with.
You said:
"but also you should know that many controllers using external mixer setups apply their own EQ filter ranges in the hardware themselves, so it may not necessarily be possible to do what you are asking"
in case u didnt realize b4 but if the head unit where all the frequencies are dispensed, does not dispense the right bandwidth of frequencies there is nothing other hardware further down the line in the audio system can do that can re-create those left out frequencies......... starts bad will end bad. the eq ranges are super important from a tuning perspective.
You said :
"Agree to disagree here too. Actually destroying the original dynamic range of a song could never be an upgrade, and just because ppl are accustomed to this behavior doesn't make it right"
Isnt dj software supposed to manipulate music: here we have speed controls different start and stop points ,,key changing, stem production, eqs', samples and efx ,,remixes and so on ,,, and there you are still worried about "original dynamic range" no the crowd demands full potential in other words "full dynamic range" and yes if the crowd likes the coloring of the music when u initiate a flanger wont they like it if the actual audio sounds brighter and more resilient. As i have seen and heard it already .....the crowd appreciates the "audio coloring" of serato i can verify that fact.
So i i beg to differ
BTW are you a disgruntled employee of vdj ? or Why are you trying to get ppl to stop using their software? why would want to make them get left behind? & to make them not improve their software ? why would you hinder development ?
Don't make excuses for them on everything i mention
I told you i have used the software for long time and these are the things that are needed,
Here you are saying you don't need virtual dj
You said:
"I think we'll agree to disagree here. To me, what 's essential to mix is having a collection of songs to mix, the tools to transition the songs in front of you (your mixer and the sources of audio) and your ears. Everything else (visualizations of songs, etc) are helpful additions but not requirements."
Here you end up saying better i not use vdj .....:
"If you are really that bothered by the controller's not being "branded" with some logo for VirtualDJ then honestly, VirtualDJ might not be for you."
but I never said anything about being branded.... the topic which u failed to identify was the jog sensitivity
&
You said:
The actual answer is still yes. A controller can be preconfigured for VirtualDJ (which pretty much all current Pioneer/Alphatheta controllers are), but not made for VirtualDJ. As you said, there is a difference, it just sounds like you don't understand the difference/what you are asking 🤷🏾♂️. "
I never asked if it "can be preconfigured" i asked if it "comes" preconfigured meaning out of the box u can install vdj online and its jog wheel is preset
that answer is..... no ....but u insist to persist..
the difference is that when u purchase a serato controller the jog sensitivity is pre set
using that same controller with virtual dj who is saying its supported does not have such a basic implement.
How many different ways will i tell you the same thing ?
You said:
"That's a given, but maybe do some research on what has been done already for the problem - the different algorithms considered "state of the art" who are responsible for them. "
Windows 95 was considered state of the art at the time bro .... do you understand wishing on the past, present and future
Here im wishing the future of this algorithm happen soon.
Your replies clearly shows that you do not understand what i am stating ... i will remix it for you..
Imagine buying a new car ... and having to digitally set how many times the wheel would spin before a gear is changed ..even before you drive it .... there are some things that come given... ppl who make dj software should think of these things. It is evident that the makers of vdj have not ever considered to map the jog wheel sensitivity of different controllers for dj's who buy the software to have a basis to work with.
You said:
"but also you should know that many controllers using external mixer setups apply their own EQ filter ranges in the hardware themselves, so it may not necessarily be possible to do what you are asking"
in case u didnt realize b4 but if the head unit where all the frequencies are dispensed, does not dispense the right bandwidth of frequencies there is nothing other hardware further down the line in the audio system can do that can re-create those left out frequencies......... starts bad will end bad. the eq ranges are super important from a tuning perspective.
You said :
"Agree to disagree here too. Actually destroying the original dynamic range of a song could never be an upgrade, and just because ppl are accustomed to this behavior doesn't make it right"
Isnt dj software supposed to manipulate music: here we have speed controls different start and stop points ,,key changing, stem production, eqs', samples and efx ,,remixes and so on ,,, and there you are still worried about "original dynamic range" no the crowd demands full potential in other words "full dynamic range" and yes if the crowd likes the coloring of the music when u initiate a flanger wont they like it if the actual audio sounds brighter and more resilient. As i have seen and heard it already .....the crowd appreciates the "audio coloring" of serato i can verify that fact.
So i i beg to differ
BTW are you a disgruntled employee of vdj ? or Why are you trying to get ppl to stop using their software? why would want to make them get left behind? & to make them not improve their software ? why would you hinder development ?
geposted Tue 14 Jan 25 @ 5:06 pm
DJ VinylTouch
My friend, I'm just trying to help you with the points you brought up.
Nothing I've said has changed from the previous response based on your current response (no additional info was provided to adjust the discussion points), and you probably won't hear much differently from the Devs on most. It really isn't a defense of what they are doing tbh, but it's an attempt at an explanation of why things are the way they are. It also isn't an attempt to say things can't be improved. Your disagreement doesn't change those facts and that fact that the software does work for many others in it's current form.
Also, based on your last response I don't think I can provide any valuable info to you that you'll accept so I'll save the effort for others who are actually more open to discussion instead.
At the end of the day you've made your suggestions, they will consider if what you are saying has value and potentially implement changes based on it.
Do have a nice day 🍺.
Nothing I've said has changed from the previous response based on your current response (no additional info was provided to adjust the discussion points), and you probably won't hear much differently from the Devs on most. It really isn't a defense of what they are doing tbh, but it's an attempt at an explanation of why things are the way they are. It also isn't an attempt to say things can't be improved. Your disagreement doesn't change those facts and that fact that the software does work for many others in it's current form.
Also, based on your last response I don't think I can provide any valuable info to you that you'll accept so I'll save the effort for others who are actually more open to discussion instead.
At the end of the day you've made your suggestions, they will consider if what you are saying has value and potentially implement changes based on it.
Do have a nice day 🍺.
geposted Tue 14 Jan 25 @ 5:31 pm