DJ Vacano
I've gotten hazed for using vdj and not using serroto but is there really that much of a difference!?! From what I see the only Difference is that with serroto you don't need an interface but vdj does exactly the same thing. Right?
geposted Fri 19 Sep 08 @ 12:46 am
mp3jrick
Only fools and bullies haze people.
You are smarter than that.
We didn't become the fastest growing software in the last 10 years by being second best.
Now, if you are a club dj that scratches it may be a different story.
But if you don't fall into that category, none of that applies.
You have to do what you feel is right for you.
Don't let yourself be influenced by people.
You are smarter than that.
We didn't become the fastest growing software in the last 10 years by being second best.
Now, if you are a club dj that scratches it may be a different story.
But if you don't fall into that category, none of that applies.
You have to do what you feel is right for you.
Don't let yourself be influenced by people.
geposted Fri 19 Sep 08 @ 12:56 am
jimspinnin
I have had alot of people ask me why I am not using serato. It is personal choice and I can do everything with my Virtual Dj that by buddy can with serato. Once people see me use it, they have a very different opinion.
geposted Fri 19 Sep 08 @ 2:31 am
Tear Em 'Up
Serato is a truck....VDJ is a Ferrari.....I want to drive the sports car..not the work horse....
geposted Fri 19 Sep 08 @ 7:45 am
sbhoopsfan
Once i get my NS7 I will still be using VDJ, I love the ease of use and you get beat the forums, i have received so much help here. It has really helped me get back into djing digitally.
geposted Fri 19 Sep 08 @ 8:19 am
low-fat-al
It also depends on if you are doing video.
This is what I wrote on the Serato forums on this very topic.
Cons for Serato Video:
- You can only use ONE mixer to do it. And you HAVE to buy it & the plug-in to do video. (roughly about $1,400 just to do it)
- With only being able to only use one mixer means lugging it around & talking venues into letting you set it up. Why should you carry and expensive mixer to a CLUB? What if it breaks? You are S.O.L.
- Quality of of video output lacks compared to VDJ using the EXACT SAME FILES!
- Can't customize controls over the software on the mixer for video effects, trans, etc.
- Updates are taking forever and didn't even resolve some of the important issues surrounding PC users. (I own both MAC & PC)
- Serato is NEW to video and it will take some time get it as solid as other companies who have been doing it for 4 years already (Virtual DJ)
- Can only use limited video file types. Mainly H.264 (mp4) videos. If you have an existing library it will take a while to get the right quality settings and let alone time to encode your library over to this very restrictive format for video.
- video preview screens can be REALLY small of different resolutions for you computer. Would be nice to be able to resize it accordingly.
- nothing is open source for plug-ins or skins.
- no text plug-in for on screen scrolling text or logo watermark effect.
Pros for Serato Video:
- Serato Scratch Live is more commonly used in the USA and a better chance that a venue already has a ttm57sl in the club for you to use for video. But most clubs have the Pioneer DJM-800 too. It is the more flexible professional club mixer.
- Video effects & transitions are nice and high quality.
- Supports tags for video like mp3 tagging. (BIG PLUS)
- Being used to using the audio version of Serato Scratch Live and switching to video won't be much of a learning curve for software use.
Pros for VDJ:
- MIDI... supports ANY MIDI mixer on the market to control the software. I can plug in my MIDI out of my NI Audio DJ soundcard into a Pioneer DJM-800 and control video crossfading and whatever using the mixer. Any MIDI device!
- Open source for plug-ins, skins, etc. There are brilliant talented people out there who have improved skins, effects, transitions, etc for VDJ that makes it that much better to use. If your smart enough and know someone who is.. you can get some custom things accomplished with it.
- Open to MANY video formats including VOB/MPEG-2 video files that usually come directly from a DVD. In other words... it takes minutes to rip and entire DVD from like Promo Only, name the files and have them READY TO PLAY! Downside of course is the size difference... but that is a different topic.
- You can completely CUSTOMIZE your shortcuts on your keyboard, midi device for EVERY feature of the software, including calling to specific transitions, effects, etc. (very useful)
- Recently improved timecode makes it very comparable to Serato's timecode! Believe me this was a con for this software at one time and it is really TIGHT now!
- Can use Serato's TIMECODE vinyls & other timecode records on the market like Tracktor, Miss Pinky, etc.
- Ability to walk into ANY venue or situation and do video! You can have custom shortcuts to control video on your laptop if you have NO mixer that is MIDI available.
- Supports iTunes, Serato's crates, and even explorers style browser for your files.
- Feature called "filter folder" allows custom folders to find specific files. For example "most played tracks", "Least played songs", "Songs in certain BPM ranges" ... whatever your heart desires. Endless possibilities.
- has plug-ins that are made for TEXT on the screen for scolling, flashing, etc. And has a plug-in for putting your logo on the screen and change the opacity of it on the screen.
Cons for VDJ:
- With open to many soundcards, controllers, devices, etc. It has been prone to crash under certain situations if not tested fully before doing a gig. Mainly with controllers and not timecode.
- with its partnership with Numark it has made it difficult for improvement with the numark soundcard from the Virtual Vinyl package. Thus causing bad experiences with customers who then get turned off by it. By direct from Virtual DJ.
- No tag support for MP4 video files. files have to be named like "artist - title" for VDJ to put it in the correct fields in the software. Is very annoying.
- Because no tag support if you have SCAN every file in and hope that the BPM is correct. It 95% of the time is... but is a pain in the ass if it isn't.
- Works better on a PC thus making the polar opposite of Serato which actually works better on a MAC.
- Can't do multiple tag edits of files. (example: change BPM's to half of the scanned value on several at once)
I hope that helps clear some of this up.
I use what works best for me for whatever situation I am in.
If I walk into a club with a ttm57sl I will most likely pull out my Mac and play with Serato. If it isn't then I will pull out my PC laptop and use VDJ.
I like both but as you can see they both have their pros and cons.
This is what I wrote on the Serato forums on this very topic.
Cons for Serato Video:
- You can only use ONE mixer to do it. And you HAVE to buy it & the plug-in to do video. (roughly about $1,400 just to do it)
- With only being able to only use one mixer means lugging it around & talking venues into letting you set it up. Why should you carry and expensive mixer to a CLUB? What if it breaks? You are S.O.L.
- Quality of of video output lacks compared to VDJ using the EXACT SAME FILES!
- Can't customize controls over the software on the mixer for video effects, trans, etc.
- Updates are taking forever and didn't even resolve some of the important issues surrounding PC users. (I own both MAC & PC)
- Serato is NEW to video and it will take some time get it as solid as other companies who have been doing it for 4 years already (Virtual DJ)
- Can only use limited video file types. Mainly H.264 (mp4) videos. If you have an existing library it will take a while to get the right quality settings and let alone time to encode your library over to this very restrictive format for video.
- video preview screens can be REALLY small of different resolutions for you computer. Would be nice to be able to resize it accordingly.
- nothing is open source for plug-ins or skins.
- no text plug-in for on screen scrolling text or logo watermark effect.
Pros for Serato Video:
- Serato Scratch Live is more commonly used in the USA and a better chance that a venue already has a ttm57sl in the club for you to use for video. But most clubs have the Pioneer DJM-800 too. It is the more flexible professional club mixer.
- Video effects & transitions are nice and high quality.
- Supports tags for video like mp3 tagging. (BIG PLUS)
- Being used to using the audio version of Serato Scratch Live and switching to video won't be much of a learning curve for software use.
Pros for VDJ:
- MIDI... supports ANY MIDI mixer on the market to control the software. I can plug in my MIDI out of my NI Audio DJ soundcard into a Pioneer DJM-800 and control video crossfading and whatever using the mixer. Any MIDI device!
- Open source for plug-ins, skins, etc. There are brilliant talented people out there who have improved skins, effects, transitions, etc for VDJ that makes it that much better to use. If your smart enough and know someone who is.. you can get some custom things accomplished with it.
- Open to MANY video formats including VOB/MPEG-2 video files that usually come directly from a DVD. In other words... it takes minutes to rip and entire DVD from like Promo Only, name the files and have them READY TO PLAY! Downside of course is the size difference... but that is a different topic.
- You can completely CUSTOMIZE your shortcuts on your keyboard, midi device for EVERY feature of the software, including calling to specific transitions, effects, etc. (very useful)
- Recently improved timecode makes it very comparable to Serato's timecode! Believe me this was a con for this software at one time and it is really TIGHT now!
- Can use Serato's TIMECODE vinyls & other timecode records on the market like Tracktor, Miss Pinky, etc.
- Ability to walk into ANY venue or situation and do video! You can have custom shortcuts to control video on your laptop if you have NO mixer that is MIDI available.
- Supports iTunes, Serato's crates, and even explorers style browser for your files.
- Feature called "filter folder" allows custom folders to find specific files. For example "most played tracks", "Least played songs", "Songs in certain BPM ranges" ... whatever your heart desires. Endless possibilities.
- has plug-ins that are made for TEXT on the screen for scolling, flashing, etc. And has a plug-in for putting your logo on the screen and change the opacity of it on the screen.
Cons for VDJ:
- With open to many soundcards, controllers, devices, etc. It has been prone to crash under certain situations if not tested fully before doing a gig. Mainly with controllers and not timecode.
- with its partnership with Numark it has made it difficult for improvement with the numark soundcard from the Virtual Vinyl package. Thus causing bad experiences with customers who then get turned off by it. By direct from Virtual DJ.
- No tag support for MP4 video files. files have to be named like "artist - title" for VDJ to put it in the correct fields in the software. Is very annoying.
- Because no tag support if you have SCAN every file in and hope that the BPM is correct. It 95% of the time is... but is a pain in the ass if it isn't.
- Works better on a PC thus making the polar opposite of Serato which actually works better on a MAC.
- Can't do multiple tag edits of files. (example: change BPM's to half of the scanned value on several at once)
I hope that helps clear some of this up.
I use what works best for me for whatever situation I am in.
If I walk into a club with a ttm57sl I will most likely pull out my Mac and play with Serato. If it isn't then I will pull out my PC laptop and use VDJ.
I like both but as you can see they both have their pros and cons.
geposted Fri 19 Sep 08 @ 8:50 am
Man-Tk
low-fat-al wrote :
- Can use Serato's TIMECODE vinyls & other timecode records on the market like Tracktor, Miss Pinky, etc.
- Can use Serato's TIMECODE vinyls & other timecode records on the market like Tracktor, Miss Pinky, etc.
with traktor vinyls vdj works BAD -
geposted Fri 19 Sep 08 @ 11:34 am
spinnaJ
Man-Tk wrote :
with traktor vinyls vdj works BAD -
low-fat-al wrote :
- Can use Serato's TIMECODE vinyls & other timecode records on the market like Tracktor, Miss Pinky, etc.
- Can use Serato's TIMECODE vinyls & other timecode records on the market like Tracktor, Miss Pinky, etc.
with traktor vinyls vdj works BAD -
Yes i agreed. But good with serato vinyl;)
geposted Fri 19 Sep 08 @ 11:40 am
djcity
Again with this debate?
VDJ is a great software that can be used in multiple ways with multiple hardware and able to do multiple things.
Serato is a great software that is great at 1 thing, Timecode. Not very adaptable, locked to it's own hardware, Video not real good yet.
I use VDJ, I like serato but love my VDJ. I want a serato box for VDJ (Hard To find)
I don't hate on serato users and once they hear me play, they ask me about VDJ cause they LIKE what I can do that they can't.
To each his (or her) own.
VDJ is a great software that can be used in multiple ways with multiple hardware and able to do multiple things.
Serato is a great software that is great at 1 thing, Timecode. Not very adaptable, locked to it's own hardware, Video not real good yet.
I use VDJ, I like serato but love my VDJ. I want a serato box for VDJ (Hard To find)
I don't hate on serato users and once they hear me play, they ask me about VDJ cause they LIKE what I can do that they can't.
To each his (or her) own.
geposted Fri 19 Sep 08 @ 12:22 pm